> I wonder if he knew it would have become what it is today.
one of my favorite postel quotes
It's perfectly appropriate to be upset. I thought of it in a
slightly different way--like a space that we were exploring and, in
the early days, we figured out this consistent path through
, must have been a
crazy thing to watch unfold in real time. I wonder if he knew it would have
become what it is today.
> On Oct 16, 2023, at 17:13, Randy Bush wrote:
>
> 25 years ago, jon postel died. we stand on the shoulders of jon and
> others, a number of whom die
Livingston modems for my
nascent Jet.net ISP.
-mel
On Oct 16, 2023, at 2:44 PM, Collider wrote:
is it candle time?
Le 16 octobre 2023 21:13:50 UTC, Randy Bush a écrit :
25 years ago, jon postel died. we stand on the shoulders of jon and
others, a number of whom died in october. not a cheering
is it candle time?
Le 16 octobre 2023 21:13:50 UTC, Randy Bush a écrit :
>25 years ago, jon postel died. we stand on the shoulders of jon and
>others, a number of whom died in october. not a cheering month for
>old timers.
>
>randy
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25 years ago, jon postel died. we stand on the shoulders of jon and
others, a number of whom died in october. not a cheering month for
old timers.
randy
@gmail.com]
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To: Vasilenko Eduard ; North American Network Operators'
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Subject: Re: Jon Postel Re: 202210301538.AYC
On Mon, Oct 31, 2022 at 2:37 AM Vasilenko Eduard via NANOG
wrote:
1. What is going on on the Internet is not democracy even formally,
bec
On 11/5/22 8:19 AM, Masataka Ohta wrote:
William Allen Simpson wrote:
Something similar happened with IPv6. Cisco favored a design where only
they had the hardware mechanism for high speed forwarding. So we're
stuck with 128-bit addresses and separate ASNs.
Given that high speed
On 10/31/22 00:41, Abraham Y. Chen wrote:
2) To follow what you are saying, I wonder how could we think "out of
the box" or go "back to the future", before it is too late for our
world wide communications infrastructure to serve as a reliable daily
tool without being a distraction
William Allen Simpson wrote:
Something similar happened with IPv6. Cisco favored a design where only
they had the hardware mechanism for high speed forwarding. So we're
stuck with 128-bit addresses and separate ASNs.
Really?
Given that high speed forwarding at that time meant TCAM,
: North American Network Operators' Group
Subject: Re: Jon Postel Re: 202210301538.AYC
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> On Nov 2, 2022, at 5:50 PM, Donald Eastlake wrote:
>
> In the early years of the
> NomCom, I believe there were a small number of
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> On Nov 2, 2022, at 5:50 PM, Donald Eastlake wrote:
>
> In the early years of the
> NomCom, I believe there were a small number of cases of a 3 year term
> but only for an AD who had already successfully served for 2 years.
On 11/2/22 8:33 AM, Abraham Y. Chen wrote:
0) "Internet Vendor Task Force indeed.": Thank you so much in distilling this
thread one more step for getting even closer to its essence.
As I'd mentioned already, Randy Bush has also had some cogent thoughts
over the years. That's where I'd
I suppose this might be a useful point to butt in and say that one
reason we don't/can't easily term-limit US representatives to congress
is that it unjustly removes their right to run for office.
Obviously (I think) not apropos to IETF functioning tho perhaps in
spirit.
But it's why it took
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> Sent: Monday, October 31, 2022 4:28 PM
> To: Vasilenko Eduard ; North American Network
> Operators' Group
> Subject: Re: Jon Postel Re: 202210301538.AYC
>
> On Mon, Oct 31, 2022 at 2:37 AM Vasilenko Eduard via NANOG
> wrote:
> >
> > 1. Wh
Dear William:
0) "Internet Vendor Task Force indeed.": Thank you so much in
distilling this thread one more step for getting even closer to its essence.
1) The ITU charter is explicit in that governments are the parties who
sponsor the Recommendations, then implement them as desired,
On 10/31/22 9:27 AM, Donald Eastlake wrote:
On Mon, Oct 31, 2022 at 2:37 AM Vasilenko Eduard via NANOG
wrote:
1. What is going on on the Internet is not democracy even formally,
because there is no formal voting.
3GPP, ETSI, 802.11 have voting. IETF decisions are made by bosses who did
it.
Eduard
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Sent: Monday, October 31, 2022 4:28 PM
To: Vasilenko Eduard ; North American Network
Operators' Group
Subject: Re: Jon Postel Re: 202210301538.AYC
On Mon, Oct 31, 2022 at 2:37 AM Vasilenko Eduard via NANOG
wr
On Mon, Oct 31, 2022 at 2:37 AM Vasilenko Eduard via NANOG
wrote:
>
> 1. What is going on on the Internet is not democracy even formally,
> because there is no formal voting.
> 3GPP, ETSI, 802.11 have voting. IETF decisions are made by bosses who did
> manage to gain power (primarily by
American Network Operators' Group
Subject: Re: Jon Postel Re: 202210301538.AYC
Dear Noah:
0) "Iterations often times leads back to the beginning.": Thanks for
distilling this thread to a concise principle. Perhaps your name was given with
the foresight of this discussion?
1) As
ng
the rest of the space with every alternative approach, not
necessarily any
better. Every possible alternative is now being written down.
And it's not
useful. -- Jon Postel
I suppose original human ideas and thoughts tends to stand the taste
of time.
Iterations often ti
written down. And it's
> not
> useful. -- Jon Postel
>
I suppose original human ideas and thoughts tends to stand the taste of
time.
Iterations often times leads back to the beginning.
Noah
>
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https://www.merlin.mb.ca
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> -Original Message-
> From: NANOG On Behalf Of
> Carsten Bormann
> Sent: October 17, 2022 11:54 AM
> To: Grant Taylor
> Cc: nanog@nanog.org
> Subject: Re: jon postel
>
Dave Taht wrote:
That book needs a sequel.
+10 on the internet history mailing list also.
Assuming you're referring to "Where Wizards Stay Up Late" ...
You might check out xbbn.org - which redirects to
http://exbbn.weebly.com/ - lots of collected personal recollections from
the old days.
ay Up
> > Late" by Katie Hafner and Matthew Lyon. A large part of the book covers
> > happenings at Bolt Beranek and Newman, and there are plenty of mentions
> > of Jon Postel.
>
> +1 (with an extremely large value of one)
>
> I have (re)read Where Wizards Stay Up Late
Jon Postel participated in many online forums such as the tcp-ip mailing list.
To access them, I’ve been using the archives at ban.ai
<https://ban.ai/multics/non-multics-docs/tcpip-digest/sd-archive/>, but I can’t
access them currently. They’re also available via Google Groups
That book needs a sequel.
+10 on the internet history mailing list also.
On 10/17/22 10:54 AM, Carsten Bormann wrote:
That said, it would be a worthwhile project to collect the places
in which this source can be supplemented with additional information
(a.k.a. grains of salt).
Agreed.
I believe there is much discussion to this effect on the Internet
History
On 2022-10-17, at 16:57, Grant Taylor via NANOG wrote:
>
> In my not so humble opinion, Where Wizards Stay Up Late should be required
> reading for anyone wanting to learn about the history / development of the
> ARPAnet and the Internet.
That said, it would be a worthwhile project to collect
On 10/16/22 8:28 PM, Joseph wrote:
A good book on the topic of the early internet is "Where Wizards Stay Up
Late" by Katie Hafner and Matthew Lyon. A large part of the book covers
happenings at Bolt Beranek and Newman, and there are plenty of mentions
of Jon Postel.
+1 (with an
RFC 2468 is brief but captures the both pleasure of working with Jon and his
selfless spirit
in pursuit of a better Internet.
/John
> On 16 Oct 2022, at 8:28 PM, Daniel Sterling wrote:
>
> One of the best things about this list is first hand accounts of our internet
> lore
>
> Does anyone
joey@gmail.com (Joseph) wrote:
> A good book on the topic of the early internet is "Where Wizards Stay Up
> Late" by Katie Hafner and Matthew Lyon.
+1
The only thing I have to criticize is that the book has way too few pages.
et is "Where Wizards Stay Up
Late" by Katie Hafner and Matthew Lyon. A large part of the book covers
happenings at Bolt Beranek and Newman, and there are plenty of mentions of
Jon Postel.
Joseph
ess space is ungood? -- Randy Bush
Routing unallocated address space is ungood! -- Jon Postel
randy
One of the best things about this list is first hand accounts of our
internet lore
Does anyone have any stories about working with or near John they would
like to share with the list? It would definitely make my day to hear more
about the early internet
Thanks,
Dan
On Sun, Oct 16, 2022, 8:01 PM
>
> Early unix had a similar philosophical debate. Everything is a simple
> file (including most devices), make commands which do one thing and
> do it well so they can be connected together in new ways (an almost
> prescient view on the ubiquity of multi-cpu/core systems), when in
> doubt
rough the space: IP, TCP, and so on.
> What's been happening over the last few years is that the IETF is filling
> the rest of the space with every alternative approach, not necessarily any
> better. Every possible alternative is now being written down. And it's not
> useful. --
On 10/16/22 15:55, Nathan Angelacos wrote:
I got on the "interwebs" just before Al Gore invented the internet (no
political statement, just that is the way it was back then.) 15 3.5"
floppy disks, a 33Mhz 486, slackware, (and a really reliable USRobotics
modem.)
About the same time for me,
On Sun, 2022-10-16 at 13:23 -0700, Randy Bush wrote:
> it's been 24 years, and we still live in his shadow and stand on his
> shoulders. we try not to stand on his toes.
>
> randy
I got on the "interwebs" just before Al Gore invented the internet (no
political statement, just that is the way it
e: IP, TCP, and so on.
> What's been happening over the last few years is that the IETF is filling
> the rest of the space with every alternative approach, not necessarily any
> better. Every possible alternative is now being written down. And it's not
> useful. -- Jon Postel
I wish I'
is that the IETF is filling
the rest of the space with every alternative approach, not necessarily any
better. Every possible alternative is now being written down. And it's not
useful. -- Jon Postel
On Sun, 16 Oct 2022, 23:24 Randy Bush, wrote:
> it's been 24 years, and we still live in his shadow and stand on his
> shoulders. we try not to stand on his toes.
>
"A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route
indicates how we get there." Jo
it's been 24 years, and we still live in his shadow and stand on his
shoulders. we try not to stand on his toes.
randy
Abha...
http://www.lothberg.org/cgi-bin/thumb?20010321/dscn6739.jpg
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I think of them often. Peace.
- - ferg
On 10/15/2017 4:00 PM, Rodney Joffe wrote:
> To us greaybeards, it feels like just yesterday. And as Randy
> points out, this coming Friday we also remember Abha who passed
> away 16 years ago, in 2001.
To us greaybeards, it feels like just yesterday. And as Randy points out, this
coming Friday we also remember Abha who passed away 16 years ago, in 2001.
http://www.neebu.net/~khuon/abha/
Sigh.
On Oct 1, 2008, at 10:49 PM, Scott Francis wrote:
nice writeup by Mr. Cerf:
http://www.circleid.com/posts/
20081001_remembering_jon_postel_a_decade/
I was not fortunate enough to have known Mr. Postel, but I have
developed a deep posthumous respect for the work he did from listening
to what
: Thursday, October 02, 2008 12:45 PM
Subject: Re: remembering Jon Postel: Looking Beyond the Decade
On Oct 1, 2008, at 10:49 PM, Scott Francis wrote:
nice writeup by Mr. Cerf:
http://www.circleid.com/posts/ 20081001_remembering_jon_postel_a_decade/
I was not fortunate enough to have known Mr
On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 1:40 PM, Tony Varriale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Any chance this will be captured (maybe professionally via HD:)?
Unfortunately I cannot be there but would really appreciate being in the
audience.
Check www.nanog.org for details surrounding the streams that are
available
nice writeup by Mr. Cerf:
http://www.circleid.com/posts/20081001_remembering_jon_postel_a_decade/
I was not fortunate enough to have known Mr. Postel, but I have
developed a deep posthumous respect for the work he did from listening
to what others have had to say about him, and from using (and
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