On 12/19/2015 17:15, Larry Sheldon wrote:
On 12/19/2015 16:53, James R Cutler wrote:
[snip]
But I still have one question (which might be based on errors)--
I think I have used WiFi terminals ("air ports", "WiFi routers"
[spit]) that offer a "bridge" mode, apparently to build a dedicated
radi
On 12/19/2015 16:53, James R Cutler wrote:
[snip]
But I still have one question (which might be based on errors)--
I think I have used WiFi terminals ("air ports", "WiFi routers"
[spit]) that offer a "bridge" mode, apparently to build a dedicated
radio link between two such terminals.
Are the
> On Dec 19, 2015, at 4:53 PM, Larry Sheldon wrote:
>
> On 12/19/2015 12:17, William Herrin wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>> I recommend you stop using the word "bridge." I think see where you're
>> heading with it, but I think you're chasing a blind alley which
>> encourages a false mental model of how
>I think I have used WiFi terminals ("air ports", "WiFi routers" [spit])
>that offer a "bridge" mode, apparently to build a dedicated radio link
>between two such terminals.
The ones I've seen
Normally those things are routers, typically with NAT on the wifi
side. If you put it in bridge mode
On 12/19/2015 12:17, William Herrin wrote:
[snip]
I recommend you stop using the word "bridge." I think see where you're
heading with it, but I think you're chasing a blind alley which
encourages a false mental model of how layer 2 networks function. You
came here for answers. This is one of th
On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 4:36 AM, Dave Taht wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 4:19 PM, William Herrin wrote:
>> From what you've posted, you don't want to detect the difference
>> between a switch and a bridge, you want to detect the difference
>
> To be more clear I wanted to detect if there was
In the end, there seems to be no "reliable" way to ask the network my question.
But... WOW! Thank you all for your interesting and clever techniques!
If LLDP (link layer discovery protocol) is enabled, you could try using
that. There is a system capabilities TLV in the LLDPDU sent by a system,
but I'm not sure how reliably it is filled in, especially if a device is
capable of both switching and routing. The way LLDP is supposed to work is
a de
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To: William Herrin
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Subject: Re: reliably detecting the presence of a bridge?
The latter.
In this case a routing optimization that works well on
[Dave asked me to repost this to the list -- not sure how useful this
little lead is; haven't worked on this for more than half a decade.]
I don't have a good platform to test this on today, but one way to
detect a wireless bridge a couple of years ago was to send a SNAP packet
(actually anything
Dave Taht wrote:
> To be more clear I wanted to detect if there was more than one
> bridge on the network, where the bridge being a PITA was a wired/wireless
> bridge.
Listen to spanning tree protocol.
Masataka Ohta
On Tue, 15 Dec 2015, Dave Taht wrote:
I am curious if there is some sort of igmp or other form of message
that would reliably detect if a switch had a bridge on it. How could
deviceA detect deviceC was a bridge in this case?
deviceA -> ethernet switch -> deviceB
ethernet swi
On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 4:19 PM, William Herrin wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 4:48 AM, Dave Taht wrote:
>> I am curious if there is some sort of igmp or other form of message
>> that would reliably detect if a switch had a bridge on it. How could
>> deviceA detect deviceC was a bridge in this
Flip a bit in the Ethernet FCS as it egresses deviceA. If the frame
arrives with a correct checksum at deviceB, then there's a switch in the
middle. Most modern switches recalculate FCS at egress port.
If the frame never arrives, most likely there is a switch in between. If
the frame arrives w
On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 4:48 AM, Dave Taht wrote:
> I am curious if there is some sort of igmp or other form of message
> that would reliably detect if a switch had a bridge on it. How could
> deviceA detect deviceC was a bridge in this case?
Hi Dave,
Start with precision in language. An etherne
Why do you care if there's a bridge? Seems you care about higher latency,
packet loss, lower reliability, etc. Measure what matters and act on that,
rather than trying to guess performance from link type.
Matthew Kaufman
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> On Dec 15, 2015, at 5:48 AM, Dave Taht wrote:
>
On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 10:48:50AM +0100, Dave Taht wrote:
> I am curious if there is some sort of igmp or other form of message
> that would reliably detect if a switch had a bridge on it. How could
> deviceA detect deviceC was a bridge in this case?
>
> deviceA -> ethernet switch -> deviceB
>
I am curious if there is some sort of igmp or other form of message
that would reliably detect if a switch had a bridge on it. How could
deviceA detect deviceC was a bridge in this case?
deviceA -> ethernet switch -> deviceB
ethernet switch -> deviceC with bridged wifi and eth
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