Re: v6 & DSL / Cable modems [was: Private use of non-RFC1918 IP space (IPv6-MW)] (IPv6-MW)

2009-02-05 Thread Stephen Kratzer
On Thursday 05 February 2009 04:31:28 Brandon Butterworth wrote: > > I am beginning to be worried that no one [has|is willing to divulge] > > that they have accomplished this . One would think that someone would > > at least pipe up just for the bragging factor . > > The thread seemed long and noi

Re: v6 & DSL / Cable modems [was: Private use of non-RFC1918 IP space (IPv6-MW)] (IPv6-MW)

2009-02-05 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Thu, 05 Feb 2009 12:22:43 +1030, Matthew Moyle-Croft said: > Telling customers "well, you might get renumbered randomly" isn't going > to work, no matter what the theory about it all is. They do crazy and > unexpected things and bleat about it even if you told them not to. At > worse they

Re: v6 & DSL / Cable modems [was: Private use of non-RFC1918 IP space (IPv6-MW)] (IPv6-MW)

2009-02-05 Thread Jack Bates
Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: So how do you plan on doing that? It works fine to my house. We know that IPv6 runs really well over regular ethernet or over tunnels. It doesn't work so well over the weird crap that broadband ISPs use which superficially looks like ethernet or PPP but isn't (and

Re: v6 & DSL / Cable modems [was: Private use of non-RFC1918 IP space (IPv6-MW)] (IPv6-MW)

2009-02-05 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 5 feb 2009, at 5:29, Matthew Moyle-Croft wrote: I'm meant to have 250,000 customers running it by Christmas! So how do you plan on doing that? We know that IPv6 runs really well over regular ethernet or over tunnels. It doesn't work so well over the weird crap that broadband ISPs use w

RE: v6 & DSL / Cable modems [was: Private use of non-RFC1918 IP space (IPv6-MW)] (IPv6-MW)

2009-02-05 Thread TJ
>Given my knowledge of where most large BRAS/Cable vendors are upto - I don't >think anyone could have. (Cisco won't have high end v6 pppoe support until >late this year!). Indeed, that is a big part of the problem in the home-user space. >There's a lot of people who clearly don't work for ISPs

Re: v6 & DSL / Cable modems [was: Private use of non-RFC1918 IP space (IPv6-MW)] (IPv6-MW)

2009-02-05 Thread Brandon Butterworth
Scott Howard wrote: > > And that brings us back to the good old catch-22 > > of ISPs not supporting IPv6 because consumer CPE doesn't support it, > > and CPE not supporting it because ISP don't... No, it's because neither need to do it. If they did the apparent catch-22 would be fixed Matthew Moy

Re: v6 & DSL / Cable modems [was: Private use of non-RFC1918 IP space (IPv6-MW)] (IPv6-MW)

2009-02-04 Thread Nathan Ward
I am told that juniper have just released their E series code to do hitless failover and ipv6cp at the same time. If you are not running hitless it has been working for some time. Apologies if this message is brief, it is sent from my cellphone. On 5/02/2009, at 17:29, Matthew Moyle-Croft

Re: v6 & DSL / Cable modems [was: Private use of non-RFC1918 IP space (IPv6-MW)] (IPv6-MW)

2009-02-04 Thread Matthew Moyle-Croft
Hmm, Apologies for that - wasn't meant to goto the list. Was a bit "frank". MMC On 05/02/2009, at 2:59 PM, Matthew Moyle-Croft wrote: Hi James, I don't think anyone really has done it large scale properly. I've had basically nothing from anyone. Given my knowledge of where most large BRAS

Re: v6 & DSL / Cable modems [was: Private use of non-RFC1918 IP space (IPv6-MW)] (IPv6-MW)

2009-02-04 Thread Matthew Moyle-Croft
Hi James, I don't think anyone really has done it large scale properly. I've had basically nothing from anyone. Given my knowledge of where most large BRAS/Cable vendors are upto - I don't think anyone could have. (Cisco won't have high end v6 pppoe support until late this year!). There'

Re: v6 & DSL / Cable modems [was: Private use of non-RFC1918 IP space (IPv6-MW)] (IPv6-MW)

2009-02-04 Thread Mr. James W. Laferriere
Hello Matthew , See way below ... On Thu, 5 Feb 2009, Matthew Moyle-Croft wrote: Scott Howard wrote: On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 4:16 PM, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 5:20 PM, Matthew Moyle-Croft wrote: but my point was that people are starting to assume that v6

Re: v6 & DSL / Cable modems [was: Private use of non-RFC1918 IP space (IPv6-MW)] (IPv6-MW)

2009-02-04 Thread Nathan Ward
On 5/02/2009, at 2:35 PM, Scott Howard wrote: What happens when a customer wants to run multiple networks is something I haven't seen answered yet - with NAT it's easy, but as I said, NAT is apparently evil... You give them more than a /64. RFC4291 says that it should be a /48, but people

Re: v6 & DSL / Cable modems [was: Private use of non-RFC1918 IP space (IPv6-MW)] (IPv6-MW)

2009-02-04 Thread Matthew Moyle-Croft
Scott Howard wrote: On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 4:16 PM, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 5:20 PM, Matthew Moyle-Croft wrote: but my point was that people are starting to assume that v6 WILL mean static allocations for all customers. By design IPv6 should mean _less_

Re: v6 & DSL / Cable modems [was: Private use of non-RFC1918 IP space (IPv6-MW)] (IPv6-MW)

2009-02-04 Thread Mark Andrews
In message , Scott Howard writes: > On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 4:16 PM, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: > > > I guess I was thinking about v4 modems which do not get a subnet, just an > > IP address. If we really are handing out a /64 to each DSL & Cable modem, > > then we may very well be recreating the

Re: v6 & DSL / Cable modems [was: Private use of non-RFC1918 IP space (IPv6-MW)] (IPv6-MW)

2009-02-04 Thread Scott Howard
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 4:16 PM, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: > I guess I was thinking about v4 modems which do not get a subnet, just an > IP address. If we really are handing out a /64 to each DSL & Cable modem, > then we may very well be recreating the same problem. v4 just gets a single IP addr