[neonixie-l] Re: New member has a question

2011-07-14 Thread Robert Sexton
I've worked a good bit with all of the devices we're talking about. The AVR micros are well loved, and quite good. That said, my colleagues and I moving away from them, mostly to Cortex-M0s. Don't be fooled by the prevalence of ARM chips in phones. Thats a whole different situation. The

[neonixie-l] New member has a question

2011-07-14 Thread Eric1180
Hi my name is eric and I am 17, I started of will no experience and I have built a clock using a Arduino clone called anarduino, It's a very small module type package. Having no previous programing skills I have completed my nixie clock. My arduino gets the time from a Real Time Clock 1307, from

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: New member has a question

2011-07-14 Thread David Forbes
On 7/14/11 9:05 PM, neutron spin wrote: Yes for the IN-17 design AVR would be my choice. I believe the AVR Tiny series are made in surface mount packages. Sandwich construction (Tube board stacked) and controller using mostly surface mount parts. This would accomplish two of my objectives.t

[neonixie-l] Re: New member has a question

2011-07-14 Thread neutron spin
Yes for the IN-17 design AVR would be my choice. I believe the AVR Tiny series are made in surface mount packages. Sandwich construction (Tube board stacked) and controller using mostly surface mount parts. This would accomplish two of my objectives.to make a small footprint nixie clock and h

[neonixie-l] Re: New member has a question

2011-07-14 Thread threeneurons
| step by step switches would really be interesting.. Been done. | I envision smaller compact designs...like four IN-17 | nixies on a board the size of a matchbox. I am sure this | has been done already but not with a Cortex MCU | | Robert If that's your objective, then an ARM may not be the way

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Nixie tube photographing

2011-07-14 Thread Dieter Waechter
Lots of speculation on the blue dot. I don't think anyone has come up with an absolutely answer. Just guessing, etc. Yes of course. There is only one right answer. http://www.tube-tester.com/sites/nixie/data/in18.htm The blus spot is the mercury glowing if Ucc is too low. All you need to do is

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Nixie tube photographing

2011-07-14 Thread Michail1
Lots of speculation on the blue dot. I don't think anyone has come up with an absolutely answer. Just guessing, etc. I have sold hundreds of the IN-18. I used to consider the blue dot as something I wanted to get rid of in my stock; however, I have changed my mind. Now, I have about 5

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Nixie tube photographing

2011-07-14 Thread Nicholas Stock
Just what exactly causes that phenomenon? I've had a few IN-18's over the years that have shown various blue dotsalways wondered what caused themideas? Nick On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 7:03 PM, Tristan wrote: > Having spent some time photographing the IN-18 "blue dot" phenomenon I > can say

[neonixie-l] Re: Nixie tube photographing

2011-07-14 Thread Tristan
Having spent some time photographing the IN-18 "blue dot" phenomenon I can say that it is a matter of balancing the ambient (or flash) light with the emitted light. If getting up close it is a good idea to manually set a small aperture (high F number) and using a longer exposure so the depth of fie

[neonixie-l] Re: New member has a question

2011-07-14 Thread neutron spin
I have seen all transistor logic designshorror of horrors!...but it is a retro way of doing this. Perhaps using wire spring relays or step by step switches would really be interestingbut it would need a couple of racks to build...not really practical. I envision smaller compact designs...

[neonixie-l] Re: New member has a question

2011-07-14 Thread threeneurons
| I have an STK-500 that all it was ever used for was to | burn some hex for a few chips ... | I was checking on a little ARM MBED 1768 dev board from | NXP and it also looked promising. ... if I learn on a more | sophistated MCU perhaps that would be beneficial later on. | ... may be overkill | Re

Re: [neonixie-l] B7971 driver boards cheap

2011-07-14 Thread Wayne de Geere III
Hey can you email me pics, I'm potentially interested. I'm doing a 7971 projects in the Ultronics style (i.e. lots of them as an alphanumeric display) I'd love to see them up close and I love to buy stuff like that. On 2011 Jul 14, at 05:30 , Terry S wrote: > If anyone is interested, I have (5

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: New member has a question

2011-07-14 Thread Adam Jacobs
Have you ever used that device? I bought one.. it is most definitely _not_ supported by AVR Studio. There was some attempt at some very buggy bridging software to try to fake support, but it didn't work at all. I ended up giving mine away. :) I love an awful lot of Limor's stuff and her site in ge

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: New member has a question

2011-07-14 Thread John Rehwinkel
> My single piece of advise when choosing an AVR programmer is to make sure > that it is compatible with AVR Studio. > A cheap DASA programmer or the USBTiny are great programmers, don't get me > wrong.. But you're stuck dealing with them commandline from AVRdude.. I've > got better things to do

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: New member has a question

2011-07-14 Thread Adam Jacobs
I would stick to the AVR platform. It has a huge hobbyist userbase, so all of your questions will be answered and you'll have no shortage of interesting projects. There are a lot of PIC guys out there too, I'm not one of them.. Also, there's TI's new offering, the MSP430. I prefer AVR because the t

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: New member has a question

2011-07-14 Thread neutron spin
Hello Adam, I have an STK-500 that all it was ever used for was to burn some hex for a few chips I was experimenting with. I did compile some Bascom code for a nixie design and it actually worked and then programmed an AVR chip for the clock...yippie!!... So that is where I am right now. So

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: New member has a question

2011-07-14 Thread Adam Jacobs
My single piece of advise when choosing an AVR programmer is to make sure that it is compatible with AVR Studio. A cheap DASA programmer or the USBTiny are great programmers, don't get me wrong.. But you're stuck dealing with them commandline from AVRdude.. I've got better things to do than to sit

[neonixie-l] Re: Need B-7971 sockets

2011-07-14 Thread James
On Jul 13, 3:06 pm, caliburgers wrote: > Hi all! > > Looking for B-7971 sockets.  Does anyone have 4 for sale? > > Regards, > Don As with many Nixie tubes, the sockets can be the hardest part to find. Fortunately you can get pin receptacles that work fine, as do DB connector female socket pins

[neonixie-l] Re: New member has a question

2011-07-14 Thread James
Check out Bascom AVR from MCS Electronics if you like something similar to Qbasic. If you want C, grab WinAVR, both are free. The ATTINY2313 is a great chip, low cost, easy to get in both DIP and SMT packages and it has WAY more than enough power for any Nixie clock. Any number of differe

Re: [neonixie-l] New member has a question

2011-07-14 Thread neutron spin
Thanks Adam, It seems that Stanislav Pechal's code is used by others as a starting point for some of these clock designs. I appreciate the information and can learn the basics. The code is pretty compact and has the basic features. The display multiplexing was something I wanted to get a bet

Re: [neonixie-l] New member has a question

2011-07-14 Thread Adam Jacobs
I had a similar question a couple years ago. I found Stanislav Pechal's nixie project. There's no strict license, but so far it has been a share-a-like and give credit kind of thing. :) My (out of date, ugly code) version: http://www.jacobstribe.org/files/6-digit-12hr.zip I spent a lot of time mo

Re: [neonixie-l] B7971 driver boards cheap

2011-07-14 Thread Quixotic Nixotic
On 14 Jul 2011, at 20:48, caliburgers wrote: Hi, Terry, Would you be interested in selling 4 of the sockets for the B-7971s? On Jul 14, 2011, at 8:30 AM, Terry S wrote: If anyone is interested, I have (5) B7971 dual driver boards... The sockets have been removed I would think probably not

Re: [neonixie-l] B7971 driver boards cheap

2011-07-14 Thread caliburgers
Hi, Terry Would you be interested in selling 4 of the sockets for the B-7971s? Regards, Don Sent from my iPhone On Jul 14, 2011, at 8:30 AM, Terry S wrote: > If anyone is interested, I have (5) B7971 dual driver boards, the > Ultronics style, available for the nominal price of $25 plus shippi

[neonixie-l] Re: New member has a question

2011-07-14 Thread neutron spin
Good information. I was checking on the M0 chip and the price point is quite attractive...seems to compete with the AVR and PIC 8 bit MCU's. The ability to move up to a more powerful chip is a plus. Starting out with the M3 sounds like a great idea. I may order one of the dev kits and do som

[neonixie-l] Re: New member has a question

2011-07-14 Thread Robert Sexton
The Cortex-M is a relative of the Cortex-A that powers millions of cell phones and the Chumby. Its designed for Microcontroller use. The original chip was the Cortex-M3 (I've designed these into lots of things), and now there is the Cortex-M0, which was intended to compete in the marketplace

[neonixie-l] Re: New member has a question

2011-07-14 Thread neutron spin
As a hobbyist, would the Cortex chip be a good platform for learning. I know everyone hypes the Arduino environment for beginners but I would prefer to go with something different. I assume this MCU would not be overkill for a nixie clock design? I know these are used in devices as the Chumb

[neonixie-l] Re: New member has a question

2011-07-14 Thread Robert Sexton
C Code is C code.Some differences are more important than others. Interrupt behavior will affect your code at the high levels, and ever company has its own peripherals with their own strengths and weaknesses. The Cortex-M chips have a very powerful and user-friendly interrupt controller.

[neonixie-l] Re: Nixie tube photographing

2011-07-14 Thread Nick
On Jul 14, 5:44 pm, Nick wrote: > I bought a cheapy light tent on eBay - a 40cm PhotoSEL as > inhttp://cgi.ebay.co.uk/170626510059 > > Came with 2 "daylight" floods. Does a nice job. Here's a photo of one of John S's clocks: http://www.desmith.net/NMdS/Nixies/P1020086.JPG -- You received this

[neonixie-l] Re: Nixie tube photographing

2011-07-14 Thread Nick
I bought a cheapy light tent on eBay - a 40cm PhotoSEL as in http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/170626510059 Came with 2 "daylight" floods. Does a nice job. Nick On Jul 14, 5:23 pm, jb-electronics wrote: > Hi folks, > > given the thoughts in a different threads, I was curious what techniques > you use to ph

[neonixie-l] Nixie tube photographing

2011-07-14 Thread jb-electronics
Hi folks, given the thoughts in a different threads, I was curious what techniques you use to photograph Nixie tubes. I am currently sick of my digicam, I am seriously thinking of purchasing something real, along maybe with a light tent? Any ideas? Looking forward to hearing your experience

[neonixie-l] Re: OB3 voltage regulators

2011-07-14 Thread threeneurons
|| experience with the OB3 voltage regulator tubes? || ... not nearly as bright as I have seen in pictures. || I am feeding it 175V, at about 60mA | | Cameras lie. Photos of glowing things are often much more | glowy than the same objects appear to the eyeball. | | -- | David Forbes, Tucson AZ I f

[neonixie-l] B7971 driver boards cheap

2011-07-14 Thread Terry S
If anyone is interested, I have (5) B7971 dual driver boards, the Ultronics style, available for the nominal price of $25 plus shipping. The sockets have been removed, but the rest of the components are there. As always, I'm open to trades. Terry. -- You received this message because you are su

Re: [neonixie-l] OB3 voltage regulators

2011-07-14 Thread John Rehwinkel
> Drat, and double drat. I was really hoping I had some defective tubes here. > they look pretty and purple in the dark, but not so much with the lights on. > Oh well, I'll stick to neon, and nixies I guess! There are neon-based regulator tubes available. However, the gas mixes varied dependi

[neonixie-l] Need B-7971 sockets

2011-07-14 Thread caliburgers
Hi all! Looking for B-7971 sockets. Does anyone have 4 for sale? Regards, Don Sent from my iPhone -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "neonixie-l" group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this gro

Re: [neonixie-l] OB3 voltage regulators

2011-07-14 Thread JohnK
Out of interest, do they all regulate OK? BTW, 60mA is prob high - my data suggests that Ik is 5mA min and 30 to 40mA max. The min supply voltage starts at 105V. John K. - Original Message - From: Shane Ellis To: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 3:3