[neonixie-l] Re: An investigation into better ways to do cathode poisoning prevention - 1000 fps slow motion included

2018-03-07 Thread 'Spirit' via neonixie-l
Well, my current setup does not allow to vary the drive current, as that would require a custom HV supply capable of rapidly switching between regular operation(say, 170V), and "extreme" mode, at maybe 220-260V. By all means, try it out. It could work, but I have no predictions on the outcome be

RE: [neonixie-l] Re: An investigation into better ways to do cathode poisoning prevention - 1000 fps slow motion included

2018-03-07 Thread Jeff Walton
Still wondering if the CPP process can also be used to clean a contaminated tube over time as opposed to just trying to prevent poisoning. I’m wondering about applying a higher power pulse for a short duty cycle so that the CPP goes a little beyond normal operation. A cathode can poison even

[neonixie-l] Re: An investigation into better ways to do cathode poisoning prevention - 1000 fps slow motion included

2018-03-07 Thread 'Spirit's lab' via neonixie-l
@Jeff The heating should only be enough to prevent cathode poisoning starting with a healthy(ideally new) tube. I seriously doubt it would do anything to fix already existing cathode poisoning. It's driven using the same, standard current(4-6mA for an IN-18) for normal operation. To fix existing

[neonixie-l] Re: An investigation into better ways to do cathode poisoning prevention - 1000 fps slow motion included

2018-03-07 Thread Allen Dutra
The high speed cycling makes a lot of sense when the "slot machine" effect isn't desired. I guess the harder question is how much a rapid cycling is enough. >From the standpoint of creating a look and feel for the clock, I would implement 20ms of cycling (10 x 2ms) done every second when secon

[neonixie-l] Re: Driver chips besides 7441 or 74141

2018-03-07 Thread gregebert
Like the other thread about the FLW clock, I missed the fact that this driver also has rail-to-rail drive with a high-voltage supply pin (76 volts). That will clamp any leakage current from the nixie tubes, so a bleeder is not needed. ESD structures in the IC are designed to clamp hundreds of m

Re: [neonixie-l] An investigation into better ways to do cathode poisoning prevention - 1000 fps slow motion included

2018-03-07 Thread Jeff Walton
Question:  is the cycle long enough to effectively heat the surface to drive off the contamination? Are the pulses being driven at a high current for the milliseconds that they are on?  By high current, I'm speaking of a rate that exceeds nominal by say- 2x to 3x?  My understanding of the physic

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: status of original Weisling FLW kit design? Clone kits? Software?

2018-03-07 Thread MichaelB
No Failures here. Mine's been running for 8 years now! On Tuesday, March 6, 2018 at 8:58:46 AM UTC-8, gregebert wrote: > > Interesting. The HV5812 is a CMOS device rated for 80V, so it will be > vulnerable to overstress if the nixie tubes leak (no bleeder resistors are > present). > > Has anyon

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: status of original Weisling FLW kit design? Clone kits? Software?

2018-03-07 Thread gregebert
Sorry, I did miss that. It definitely solves any potential problem with nixie leakage, clamping it to a safe value. Much better solution than tying a bleeder resistor across each segment driver. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "neonixie-l" group. To

[neonixie-l] Re: Driver chips besides 7441 or 74141

2018-03-07 Thread 'Mike Playle' via neonixie-l
On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 7:14:56 AM UTC, gregebert wrote: > The MAXIM device uses BiCMOS technology, so the I/O pins are > probably NPN devices and should be more tolerant of voltages above > 76 VDC. I'd prefer not to allow the voltage to rise that far. 70 volts seems to be enough to reliably b

[neonixie-l] An investigation into better ways to do cathode poisoning prevention - 1000 fps slow motion included

2018-03-07 Thread 'Spirit's lab' via neonixie-l
While designing my own clock, I decided to investigate the cathode poisoning prevention methods utilized by most clocks, and I discovered that there's room to improve and experiment. Here's a short video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skBwGGQ58MI If you can't or don't want to watch: Switching b

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: status of original Weisling FLW kit design? Clone kits? Software?

2018-03-07 Thread petehand
You obviously missed that in my design, pin 1 of the HV5812, the VPP pin, is tied to approximately 60 volts. An "off" output then is pulled up to 60V, which is high enough that the cathode is extinguished, and any leakage current is clamped to 60V. On Tuesday, March 6, 2018 at 8:58:46 AM UTC-8,