Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Multiplexing tubes with 1 x K155ID1 vs 2 x K155ID1?

2021-07-16 Thread Nicholas Stock
I have friends who I built Tubehobby clocks for over 10 years ago (multiplexed design) that are still going strong with both IN14 and IN18 tubesI think the concerns about multiplexing aren't worth worrying too much about (IMHO). Nick Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 16, 2021, at 16:01, ZY wro

[neonixie-l] Re: Multiplexing tubes with 1 x K155ID1 vs 2 x K155ID1?

2021-07-16 Thread ZY
Do you use PWM at all for dimming, or do you control the tube voltage? I do find that my IN-18s sing a bit at certain PWM settings so I've wondered too if that would have a negative effect. In terms of motion sensing, I did add that feature to a recent build I did but I was curious if the therm

[neonixie-l] Re: Multiplexing tubes with 1 x K155ID1 vs 2 x K155ID1?

2021-07-15 Thread gregebert
>From what I've read, the peak current is what leads to tube wearout, and the effect is exponential: double the current, and the lifetime will be less than half the normal expectancy. So when a tube is pulsed, such as with multiplexing, the perceived brightness will always be lower compared to

[neonixie-l] Re: Multiplexing tubes with 1 x K155ID1 vs 2 x K155ID1?

2021-07-15 Thread ZY
Ooops, sorry Gregebert, I'm not experienced with google groups and I didn't know the difference between reply to group vs. reply to author. I'm going to repeat my question so it's group visible: Basically I was wondering for multiplexed vs direct drive, if given the same voltage and current li

[neonixie-l] Re: Multiplexing tubes with 1 x K155ID1 vs 2 x K155ID1?

2021-07-13 Thread andybiker
It's also worth mentioning that with a multiplexed design it's easy to dim the tubes for a dark room and obviously extend the life. I have a bedroom arduino-based clock that has 4x NL5780 multiplexed. The brightness auto-dims so that it's nice at night (and at a level that would be invisible duri

[neonixie-l] Re: Multiplexing tubes with 1 x K155ID1 vs 2 x K155ID1?

2021-07-12 Thread RikD
@gregebert... I never considered that... Always looked at the K155ID1 chips as the expensive part... But you make a very good point. The tubes are getting more expensive by the day -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "neonixie-l" group. To unsubscr

[neonixie-l] Re: Multiplexing tubes with 1 x K155ID1 vs 2 x K155ID1?

2021-07-12 Thread Owen Crawford
Makes perfect sense. Thank you for the explanation. Think I'll be going down the direct drive route for my designs. On Tuesday, 13 July 2021 at 14:43:30 UTC+10 gregebert wrote: > If you use 1 decoder for 6 tubes, the duty-cycle is 1/6 and it will > require more current to get the same brightnes

[neonixie-l] Re: Multiplexing tubes with 1 x K155ID1 vs 2 x K155ID1?

2021-07-12 Thread gregebert
If you use 1 decoder for 6 tubes, the duty-cycle is 1/6 and it will require more current to get the same brightness as a tube with a higher duty-cycle. So, if you use 2 decoders, the duty-cycle is 1/3 and the peak current will be less vs 1/6 duty cycle. Personally, I never multiplex tubes becau