Re: [NetBehaviour] Bill Traylor and Alberta Hunter

Thanks Alan. I saw his works in NY Galleries in the 90's. I liked that Bill Traylor and Alberta Hunter shared a birthday. BTW.. Milan Kundera was born on April 1 too.. http://www.mutanteggplant.com/vitro-nasu/category/books/milan-kundera/ He is 83 years old today.. (this is from my archive). > I'v

Re: [NetBehaviour] Bill Traylor and Alberta Hunter

I've seen a lot of his work in the South - brilliant - On Fri, 1 Apr 2011, Fung-Lin Hall wrote: > Bill Traylor was born a slave in 1854; after a lifetime as a cotton > laborer, destitute and living on a Montgomery, Alabama, sidewalk, > he began drawing. He was 83, and sold his work for nickels.

[NetBehaviour] Bill Traylor and Alberta Hunter

Bill Traylor was born a slave in 1854; after a lifetime as a cotton laborer, destitute and living on a Montgomery, Alabama, sidewalk, he began drawing. He was 83, and sold his work for nickels. http://www.mutanteggplant.com/vitro-nasu/2011/04/01/bill-traylor-alberta-hunter/ Fung Lin Hall http://w

[NetBehaviour] why i love hir

why i love hir http://www.alansondheim.org/whyilovehir.mp4 i love hir so very much for all these reasons bigdream positives. bigdream penetrates inversion dyed negatives positives bigdream penetrates inversion dyed negatives positives bigdream substance, not dyed, not negatives cruelbodybo

Re: [NetBehaviour] Cariou vs. Prince: THE COPYRIGHT BUNGLE

> Even when artists have not appropriated they have always stood on the shoulders of others, for techniques, for subject matter, for an appraoch to that subject matter, for materials, for everything i suppose i owe you and Doron royalties then, Michael ;) On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 7:01 PM, Mich

Re: [NetBehaviour] Cariou vs. Prince: THE COPYRIGHT BUNGLE

i think you may be missing the pole on this one, bob. it seems to me you are making the same argument. Rob has referenced photography in order to show the importance of NOT restricting individuals, such as those listed. i look forward to researching the names i don't know. what are your feelings

Re: [NetBehaviour] Cariou vs. Prince: THE COPYRIGHT BUNGLE

On 02/04/11 0:27, Rob Myers wrote: >Yes. "Yes"?... that the documentary photography of Andre Kertesz, Robert Frank, Bill Brandt, Diane Arbus, W. Eugene Smith, Josef Koudelka, Inge Morath, Raghu Rai, August Sander, Dorothea Lange, Henri Cartier-Bresson, Walker Evans, Eve Arnold, Ernest Col

Re: [NetBehaviour] Cariou vs. Prince: THE COPYRIGHT BUNGLE

And in a reductio ad absurdum the argument could be applied to *any* kind of representation, by whatever means, of *anything* where someone feels they have some "intellectual property rights". Even when artists have not appropriated they have always stood on the shoulders of others, for techniqu

Re: [NetBehaviour] Cariou vs. Prince: THE COPYRIGHT BUNGLE

On 01/04/11 21:51, bob catchpole wrote: > > Are you sure you know what you're talking about? Yes. "[...]early in the history of photography, there was a series of judicial decisions that could well have changed the course of photography substantially. Courts were asked whether the photographer,

Re: [NetBehaviour] Cariou vs. Prince: THE COPYRIGHT BUNGLE

On 01/04/11 21:43, brian gibson wrote: > i agree with most all you say here. > >> Art must be free to refer to and represent the forms of wider society if > it is to have the value that copyright is meant to protect. > > art must be free. especially. > but if you take a drum hook from clyde stubb

Re: [NetBehaviour] ORIGINAL STATEMENTS XXXI

...THANKS BABE...MANIK...APRIL...2011... - Original Message - From: "James Morris" To: "NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity" Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 10:43 AM Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] ORIGINAL STATEMENTS XXXI > SO RICH SO... WANK|Y| ARTIST APRIL WANK|Y| DAY 2011 >

Re: [NetBehaviour] Cariou vs. Prince: THE COPYRIGHT BUNGLE

On 01/04/11 21:46, Rob Myers wrote: >Documentary photography is simple uncompensated "theft" of an image, and >yet in this case we are being asked to privilege that over the creation >of a unique original artwork. So the documentary photography of Andre Kertesz, Robert Frank, Bill Brandt, D

Re: [NetBehaviour] Cariou vs. Prince: THE COPYRIGHT BUNGLE

i agree with most all you say here. > Art must be free to refer to and represent the forms of wider society if it is to have the value that copyright is meant to protect. art must be free. especially. but if you take a drum hook from clyde stubblefield

Re: [NetBehaviour] Cariou vs. Prince: THE COPYRIGHT BUNGLE

On 01/04/11 20:11, brian gibson wrote: >> The"original" is a pastiche of documentary styles produced without >> compensating its models. > > this is the nature of all! surely you understand the difference between > inspiration and blatant theft? If you copy an image, the original is still there.

Re: [NetBehaviour] Cariou vs. Prince: THE COPYRIGHT BUNGLE

> The"original" is a pastiche of documentary styles produced without > compensating its models. this is the nature of all! surely you understand the difference between inspiration and blatant theft? the line may be blurry, but to pretend there is no line at all... >> >> to profit off the back of

Re: [NetBehaviour] Cariou vs. Prince: THE COPYRIGHT BUNGLE

On 04/01/2011 07:21 PM, brian gibson wrote: > > money seems the issue. and a call for respect. > regardless of how much a piece is altered The"original" is a pastiche of documentary styles produced without compensating its models. If documentary photography had the same standards applied to it t

Re: [NetBehaviour] Cariou vs. Prince: THE COPYRIGHT BUNGLE

money seems the issue. and a call for respect. regardless of how much a piece is altered it's existence is impossible without the original. to profit off the back of another artist is disgusting. fight for rights, but forget not morals. and either way no law will "stop" a real artist from creati

Re: [NetBehaviour] Cariou vs. Prince: THE COPYRIGHT BUNGLE

"But as artists what should concern us is that it is a decision regarding art that significantly reduces what it is possible to do in art." I totally agree Rob, this is important - copyright law should not stop artists from being free to transform source material into something original and new.

Re: [NetBehaviour] Cariou vs. Prince: THE COPYRIGHT BUNGLE

On 01/04/11 17:29, Catherine Daly wrote: > It is actually pretty consistent with recent decisions in music and > literature re: copyright. It may or may not be consistent with recent bad decisions in literature and music that have misguidedly reduced the scope of free expression in the name of enf

Re: [NetBehaviour] Cariou vs. Prince: THE COPYRIGHT BUNGLE

On 01/04/11 17:55, bob catchpole wrote: > On 01/04/11 18:05, Rob Myers wrote: > >>what is actually happening is that an artist is being told to >>destroy their work by a judge who doesn't understand copyright. > > And you do? Yes, thanks. I also understand the history and philosophy of art bette

Re: [NetBehaviour] Cariou vs. Prince: THE COPYRIGHT BUNGLE

On 01/04/11 18:05, Rob Myers wrote: >what is actually happening is that an artist is being told to >destroy their work by a judge who doesn't understand copyright. And you do? Bob___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.ne

Re: [NetBehaviour] Cariou vs. Prince: THE COPYRIGHT BUNGLE

It is actually pretty consistent with recent decisions in music and literature re: copyright. Plus, he's appropriated 40 entire images and superimposed on them. He hasn't altered the base image of the one picture I saw. Here's something from a lawyer blog: To evaluate fair use of copyrighted ma

Re: [NetBehaviour] There's No Business Like War Business

...TITO WAS *DICTATOR*IN FORMER YUGOSLAVIA...WITHOUT ELLECTIONS...WITHOUT ANY FORM OF DEMOCRATIC PROCEDURE IN RULE...HIS FUNERAL WAS GREATEST MEETING OF WORLD LEADERS FROM ALL SIDES AND ALL FORM OF POLITICS BELIEFS AND CONDUCT IN XX CENTURY...IS HE 'EXCEPTION WHO CERTIFY THE RULE'|?|...I DON-T

Re: [NetBehaviour] Cariou vs. Prince: THE COPYRIGHT BUNGLE

On 01/04/11 16:53, Catherine Daly wrote: > I guess I would be more sympathetic if he didn't do a line for Louis > Vuitton based on a fake book project. Is he now going to do a line of > guitars? Or cameras? But this, as the article points out, is the problem. People are treating this as a gossip

Re: [NetBehaviour] Cariou vs. Prince: THE COPYRIGHT BUNGLE

I guess I would be more sympathetic if he didn't do a line for Louis Vuitton based on a fake book project. Is he now going to do a line of guitars? Or cameras? ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailm

Re: [NetBehaviour] There's No Business Like War Business

If they have been in power more than 30 years without any participation of the people they are dictators, Fidel Castro or Khadafi or Assad or the Burma generals. Ana On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 4:31 PM, Rob Myers wrote: > On 01/04/11 15:21, manik wrote: > > *...WHAT'S DICTATORS NAME/S/|?|...WHAT WAS

Re: [NetBehaviour] There's No Business Like War Business

- Original Message - From: "Rob Myers" To: "NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity" Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 4:31 PM Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] There's No Business Like War Business >Generally if they're an unelected head of government, or the elections >return them

[NetBehaviour] Stoking public fear of the deficit in order to dismantle the welfare state - some links about Osborne's cuts

Are we solving the UK debt crisis? http://inquisitiveflo.wordpress.com/2010/12/05/are-we-solving-the-uk-debt-crisis/ Why the cuts wont help the economy http://falseeconomy.org.uk/cure/the-false-economy-guide-to-the-deficit The shock doctrine http://www.noshockdoctrine.org.uk/?page_id=135

[NetBehaviour] Cariou vs. Prince: THE COPYRIGHT BUNGLE

Really good. Do read: Cariou vs. Prince: THE COPYRIGHT BUNGLE by Joy Garnett http://www.artnet.com/magazineus/news/garnett/cariou-v-prince-the-copyright-bungle-3-31-11.asp "As is well-known, the artist Richard Prince has lost his copyright infringement suit to the photographer Patrick Cariou [se

Re: [NetBehaviour] There's No Business Like War Business

On 01/04/11 15:21, manik wrote: > *...WHAT'S DICTATORS NAME/S/|?|...WHAT WAS YOUR METHODOLOGY TO DECLARE > SOMEONE-UNKNOWN-ONE AS *DICTATOR* Generally if they're an unelected head of government, or the elections return them with > 99% majorities, and they have *really* shiny boots... https://secu

[NetBehaviour] "Moral autonomy is possible only through reflection, self-determination and the courage not to cooperate." Immanuel Kant

"Moral autonomy is possible only through reflection, self-determination and the courage not to cooperate." Immanuel Kant -- w: http://nictoglobe.com w: http://burgerwaanzin.nl w: http://nictoglobe.com/new/agam e: aj...@xs4all.nl e: a.andr...@nictoglobe.com _

Re: [NetBehaviour] "Open Source Culture"

I had my students read the paper by thor magnusson in FLOSS + Art and they loved. Its a wonderful introductory text to open source and how it may affect/pertain to the arts. On Apr 1, 2011 7:20 AM, "a bill miller" wrote: > Hi All > Since you're talking about FLOSS, I thought I'd mention a specific

Re: [NetBehaviour] "Open Source Culture"

Hi All Since you're talking about FLOSS, I thought I'd mention a specific text I've been using in some of my courses. Digital Foundations - xtine burrough and Michael Mandiberg http://digital-foundations.net/ It's a physical book, but also a wiki. I think they worked closely with FLOSS. All exercis

Re: [NetBehaviour] There's No Business Like War Business

Hi (P)all The failures of the continuing conflicts in western politics are deeply rooted on not willing to let go the archaic and extremely outdated ways the so called 'democracies' are operating in The heartland is the Roman Empire in which the State (senate) mandated its powers by introducing r

[NetBehaviour] How Dutch organised via Twitter to stop bankers getting bonuses

"ING customers mobilised on Twitter and other social networks to protest at bonuses paid to bosses at the bank, one of the biggest in the country. The threat of direct action raised the spectre of a partial run on ING, terrifying the Dutch establishment. Fred Polhout, union organiser at the bank, s

Re: [NetBehaviour] "Open Source Culture"

On 04/01/2011 11:24 AM, Rob Myers wrote: > On 03/31/2011 10:40 PM, Antonio Roberts wrote: >> Do you have any more examples of artists writing about open source >> culture (e.g. the link you posted to Joy Garnett) > > Open Source culture / Free Culture tends to get mixed up with > appropriation art,

Re: [NetBehaviour] "Open Source Culture"

On 03/31/2011 10:40 PM, Antonio Roberts wrote: > Do you have any more examples of artists writing about open source > culture (e.g. the link you posted to Joy Garnett) Open Source culture / Free Culture tends to get mixed up with appropriation art, collaborative art and other ideas so it's hard t

[NetBehaviour] Is Fukushima About To Blow?

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article27778.htm ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour

[NetBehaviour] Creepy app warns of an end to privacy.

Creepy, a package described as a 'geolocation information aggregator,' is turning heads in privacy circles, but should people be worried? We chat to its creator, Yiannis Kakavas, to find out what's going on. Creepy is a software package for Linux or Windows - with a Mac OS X port in the works -

Re: [NetBehaviour] There's No Business Like War Business

Well, I offered a hypothetical military alternative, which was arming the rebels, more as a rhetorical device than a pratical suggestion because it won't happen, of course, or not in the untramelled form which would enable the rebels to keep their political independence ie without the strings wh

[NetBehaviour] art/knowledge: overlaps and neighboring zones

transversal web journal. With austerity measures pitting cultural producers against each other in a competition for survival, collectivity and resistance may seem like obsolete notions. All the while, the rising popularity of artistic research and interdisciplinary approaches between the arts a

Re: [NetBehaviour] There's No Business Like War Business

Alexander Cockburn wrote an excellent article about the US (and the West) addiction to war. We play war all time, our most popular tvshows are about war, the most seen films are about war, war is the ultimate drug, our economy fails without war, it's the war and the war industry who is the motor fo

Re: [NetBehaviour] ORIGINAL STATEMENTS XXXI

SO RICH SO... WANK|Y| ARTIST APRIL WANK|Y| DAY 2011 On 1 April 2011 01:06, manik wrote: > ‎...THE END|Y|  MONUMENT...MANIK...APRIL...2011... > ___ > NetBehaviour mailing list > NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo

Re: [NetBehaviour] There's No Business Like War Business

On 01/04/11 02:17, Joel Weishaus wrote: > PALL, PLEASE DON'T BREAK MY FINGERS, I NEED THEM FOR TYPING! Sorry, I can't intervene. That would be wrong. You can however take comfort from the knowledge that I will be working hard to see Pall clearly in pop-psychological and conspiracy-theorist te