Re: [NetBehaviour] Knowing your computer - The terminal manifesto

2013-11-06 Thread James Morris
echo $(echo echo) | sed '/echo/d' On Nov 5, 2013 12:06 PM, pascale gustin gustin.pasc...@free.fr wrote: Hi ! An interesting text : http://reader.lgru.net/texts/echo-echo-echo-echo-command-line-poetics/ +++ p Le 10/31/2013 04:29 PM, marc garrett a écrit : Hi Rob, Thanks for the

Re: [NetBehaviour] Knowing your computer - The terminal manifesto

2013-11-05 Thread pascale gustin
Hi ! An interesting text : http://reader.lgru.net/texts/echo-echo-echo-echo-command-line-poetics/ +++ p Le 10/31/2013 04:29 PM, marc garrett a écrit : Hi Rob, Thanks for the link to the FLOSS Manuals' 'Put Yourself in Command' link. It is also nicely executed on the page is elf, well worth

Re: [NetBehaviour] Knowing your computer - The terminal manifesto

2013-11-05 Thread Pall Thayer
I also posted this on facebook and a lively discussion emerged involving Philip Galanter and others. I just want to point out that I'm not arguing for a complete return to the command line but, as Pascal's recommended article points out, there are things that the terminal does better than the GUI.

Re: [NetBehaviour] Knowing your computer - The terminal manifesto

2013-10-31 Thread marc garrett
Hi Rob, Thanks for the link to the FLOSS Manuals' 'Put Yourself in Command' link. It is also nicely executed on the page is elf, well worth a visit :-) I'd also recommend SSH from FLOSS Manuals' http://en.flossmanuals.net/command-line/ch029_ssh/ marc On 30/10/13 05:03 PM, dan mcquillan

Re: [NetBehaviour] Knowing your computer - The terminal manifesto

2013-10-31 Thread marc garrett
Hi Rob all, I think its appropriate to mention here, Rob's review for Furtherfield about Floss Manuals in 2008. http://www.furtherfield.org/reviews/floss-manuals 5 years ago! Time is too swift! chat soon. marc On 30/10/13 05:03 PM, dan mcquillan wrote: i remember finding neal

Re: [NetBehaviour] Knowing your computer - The terminal manifesto

2013-10-31 Thread dan mcquillan
also fwiw i just stumbled across commandlinefu ( http://www.commandlinefu.com/commands/browse) and picked up a couple of very handy one-liners off their 'All-time greats' On 31 October 2013 15:50, marc garrett marc.garr...@furtherfield.orgwrote: Hi Rob all, I think its appropriate to

Re: [NetBehaviour] Knowing your computer - The terminal manifesto

2013-10-30 Thread James Morris
On Oct 30, 2013 12:58 AM, Pall Thayer pallt...@gmail.com wrote: If you don't know your terminal, you don't know your computer. It knows you. Graphical user interfaces are not meant to ease your interaction with your computer, they're intended to guide your use of your computer. The terminal

Re: [NetBehaviour] Knowing your computer - The terminal manifesto

2013-10-30 Thread dan mcquillan
i remember finding neal stephenson's 'In the Beginning was the Command Line' pretty inspiring http://www.cryptonomicon.com/beginning.html On 30 October 2013 07:20, James Morris jwm.art@gmail.com wrote: On Oct 30, 2013 12:58 AM, Pall Thayer pallt...@gmail.com wrote: If you don't know

Re: [NetBehaviour] Knowing your computer - The terminal manifesto

2013-10-30 Thread Rob Myers
On 30/10/13 05:03 PM, dan mcquillan wrote: i remember finding neal stephenson's 'In the Beginning was the Command Line' pretty inspiring http://www.cryptonomicon.com/beginning.html A good practical introduction is the FLOSS Manuals one: http://flossmanuals.net/command-line/ For people who are

[NetBehaviour] Knowing your computer - The terminal manifesto

2013-10-29 Thread Pall Thayer
If you don't know your terminal, you don't know your computer. It knows you. Graphical user interfaces are not meant to ease your interaction with your computer, they're intended to guide your use of your computer. The terminal is your friend. Using the terminal is like stroking the surface of

Re: [NetBehaviour] Knowing your computer - The terminal manifesto

2013-10-29 Thread Pall Thayer
Addendum: The less you know about your computer, the more it knows about you. On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 8:57 PM, Pall Thayer pallt...@gmail.com wrote: If you don't know your terminal, you don't know your computer. It knows you. Graphical user interfaces are not meant to ease your interaction

Re: [NetBehaviour] Knowing your computer - The terminal manifesto

2013-10-29 Thread Alan Sondheim
this is sort of true, but then there are so many terminal programs as well - I tend to use default bash, and have access to it directly on linux, also thru cygwin, and use to apps on Android to get under the gui - and yes, . is a location as well as a wildcard sometimes! On Tue, 29 Oct 2013,

Re: [NetBehaviour] Knowing your computer - The terminal manifesto

2013-10-29 Thread Pall Thayer
I have to admit that I would like to suggest, although it isn't stated, that any system that doesn't have the oft-referred-to Unix translatable terminal isn't worth discussion (i.e. Windows x.x or whatever they're calling it these days). I'm curious, in what system is . a wildcard? On Tue, Oct

Re: [NetBehaviour] Knowing your computer - The terminal manifesto

2013-10-29 Thread Rob Myers
On 29/10/13 07:57 PM, Pall Thayer wrote: I'm curious, in what system is . a wildcard? Regular expressions. The historical reason for .files being invisible is fun. :-) ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org

Re: [NetBehaviour] Knowing your computer - The terminal manifesto

2013-10-29 Thread Pall Thayer
Interesting. I thought regular expressions originated with Perl, which would have made that a late introduction. Essentially too late for . to mean what it does. But apparently most of the regular expressions came from sed that was developed as a part of the Unix system in its early years. Very

Re: [NetBehaviour] Knowing your computer - The terminal manifesto

2013-10-29 Thread Alan Sondheim
believe in sed - wrong word, not wildcard, but placeholder - alan On Tue, 29 Oct 2013, Pall Thayer wrote: I have to admit that I would like to suggest, although it isn't stated, that any system that doesn't have the oft-referred-to Unix translatable terminal isn't worth discussion (i.e.