Re: NetBSD install experiences

2020-05-14 Thread Greg Troxel
Martin Husemann writes: > On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 06:04:48AM +, Jan Icetrov wrote: >> Autoconfigure is also strange with wired connections. It doesn't let you >> choose hostname or disable ipv6, which in turn makes pkgin install >> impossible if you have ipv6 on your LAN but ipv4 only uplink.

Re: NetBSD install experiences

2020-05-14 Thread Martin Husemann
On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 10:00:14AM +, Thomas Mueller wrote: > It seems that setting up a wireless connection with ifconfig and > wpa_supplicant is much simpler in FreeBSD than in NetBSD; not sure > about Linux. I would say there is no difference, but I'd like to avoid needing the shell here at

Re: NetBSD install experiences

2020-05-14 Thread Thomas Mueller
> On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 01:23:59PM -0700, Salil Wadnerkar wrote: > > I also want to raise one issue about the install. > > When we try to configure networking, it lets us choose the interface and > > when we select wireless interface, asks us to choose autoconfigure, or > > configure everything m

Re: NetBSD install experiences

2020-05-13 Thread Martin Husemann
On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 06:04:48AM +, Jan Icetrov wrote: > Autoconfigure is also strange with wired connections. It doesn't let you > choose hostname or disable ipv6, which in turn makes pkgin install > impossible if you have ipv6 on your LAN but ipv4 only uplink. That sounds more like a bug i

Re: NetBSD install experiences

2020-05-13 Thread Jan Icetrov
t; To: "Martin Husemann" Cc: "Rhialto" ; "Robert Nestor" ; "NetBSD Users" Sent: 2020. 05. 13. 22:23:59 Subject: Re: NetBSD install experiences I also want to raise one issue about the install. When we try to configure networking, it lets us choose the inter

Re: NetBSD install experiences

2020-05-13 Thread Martin Husemann
On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 01:23:59PM -0700, Salil Wadnerkar wrote: > I also want to raise one issue about the install. > When we try to configure networking, it lets us choose the interface and > when we select wireless interface, asks us to choose autoconfigure, or > configure everything manually. I

Re: NetBSD install experiences

2020-05-13 Thread Clay Daniels
My biggest issue with installing NetBSD, or any other BSD, has been with my own understanding (or misunderstanding) of partition tables, and MBR vs GPT. The second biggest issue is the BIOS & the age of the computer. UEFI uses the GPT partition table and is the so called "modern way", mainly becau

Re: NetBSD install experiences

2020-05-13 Thread Salil Wadnerkar
I also want to raise one issue about the install. When we try to configure networking, it lets us choose the interface and when we select wireless interface, asks us to choose autoconfigure, or configure everything manually. In autoconfigure, it doesn't even ask which wireless network I want to con

Re: NetBSD install experiences

2020-05-13 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, Torbjörn Granlund wrote: > Please consider working on the NetBSD install experience! Now even I, > who is far from a newbie and have tons of patience, consider giving up. > If this had been my first experience with NetBSD, I would have given up > long before I had arrived to ISSUE 5, I'm afr

Re: NetBSD install experiences

2020-05-13 Thread Martin Husemann
On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 08:59:44PM +0200, Rhialto wrote: > On the other hand, when you're doing an update, I had to guess whether I > should select the GPT partition that was my root partition, or the whole > disk. I guessed the root partition and apparently that was correct :-) I think both work

Re: NetBSD install experiences

2020-05-13 Thread Rhialto
On Wed 13 May 2020 at 07:03:41 +0200, Martin Husemann wrote: > You actually *can* install to some existing GPT partition, e.g. dk0 or dk1, > and it should just work (but you can not sub-partition dk* devices). The > installer handles this special case. > > But you also can select "wd0" as the targ

Re: NetBSD install experiences

2020-05-13 Thread Greg A. Woods
At Wed, 13 May 2020 07:03:41 +0200, Martin Husemann wrote: Subject: Re: NetBSD install experiences > > That means in a very minimal setup where you boot from an UEFI install > image on USB and you have a target SATA disk that already has some GPT > partitions you would get devices li

Re: NetBSD install experiences

2020-05-13 Thread Martin Husemann
On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 07:41:45AM -0400, Greg Troxel wrote: > I realize this is a major change, but I wonder about the installer > having an option to zeroize the disk, so that if someone is trying to > do an install getting rid of everything, they can, and then not have > these issues. Yes, I pl

Re: NetBSD install experiences

2020-05-13 Thread Greg Troxel
Martin Husemann writes: > That means in a very minimal setup where you boot from an UEFI install > image on USB and you have a target SATA disk that already has some GPT > partitions you would get devices like: > > sd0 the USB stick you booted from > wd0 the SATA disk > dk0 some GPT partiti

Re: NetBSD install experiences

2020-05-12 Thread Martin Husemann
On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 12:14:52PM -0500, Robert Nestor wrote: > With GPT, at least on a disk that already has some GPT wedges, > it seems one selects GPT wedges to ?partition?, not the disk. > At least it seemed to me that all the existing GPT wedges were > displayed and I don?t recall seeing an o

Re: NetBSD install experiences

2020-05-12 Thread Robert Nestor
Not knocking the tremendous work Martin has done maintaining and extending the Installer, but the GPT handling in 9.x/-current did seem a bit confusing to me. It could be just me and my understanding, but the last time I tried it there seemed to be a disconnect between the way an MBR disk is se

Re: NetBSD install experiences

2020-05-12 Thread Martin Husemann
On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 02:07:18PM -0400, MLH wrote: > Thanks. Maybe my bios is just too old. It doesn't boot efi correctly > and maybe it doesn't quite handle gpt partitions quite correctly > either. Might be why I had so much trouble with that. I still > haven't found a way to have the biosboot

Re: NetBSD install experiences

2020-05-12 Thread MLH
Martin Husemann wrote: > On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 12:10:21PM -0400, MLH wrote: > > Hmm. I tried the -current installer and though it appeared to > > indicate it could, I couldn't determine how to without manually > > creating the gpt partitions. > > See the top part about 9.0 here: > > http:

Re: NetBSD install experiences

2020-05-12 Thread Chavdar Ivanov
On Tue, 12 May 2020 at 18:38, Martin Husemann wrote: > > On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 12:10:21PM -0400, MLH wrote: > > Hmm. I tried the -current installer and though it appeared to > > indicate it could, I couldn't determine how to without manually > > creating the gpt partitions. In case it might be

Re: NetBSD install experiences

2020-05-12 Thread Martin Husemann
On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 12:10:21PM -0400, MLH wrote: > Hmm. I tried the -current installer and though it appeared to > indicate it could, I couldn't determine how to without manually > creating the gpt partitions. See the top part about 9.0 here: http://wiki.netbsd.org/Installation_on_UEF

Re: NetBSD install experiences

2020-05-12 Thread MLH
Martin Husemann wrote: > On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 10:51:41AM -0400, MLH wrote: > > One thing I would like to see is to have the installer be able to > > use gpt to parition and install on large disks when mbr can't be > > used, both for efi and ffs biosbooting. > > It can do that (with 9.0 or newe

Re: NetBSD install experiences

2020-05-12 Thread Martin Husemann
On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 10:51:41AM -0400, MLH wrote: > One thing I would like to see is to have the installer be able to > use gpt to parition and install on large disks when mbr can't be > used, both for efi and ffs biosbooting. It can do that (with 9.0 or newer). Martin

RE: NetBSD install experiences

2020-05-12 Thread MLH
One thing I would like to see is to have the installer be able to use gpt to parition and install on large disks when mbr can't be used, both for efi and ffs biosbooting.

Re: NetBSD install experiences

2020-05-12 Thread Vincent DEFERT
Thanks for your explanations, Robert, I now better understand some issues I recently ran into. As for the packaging system, it is certainly the greatest weakness of the whole BSD family, not only NetBSD. Am 11/05/2020 um 21:56 schrieb Robert Nestor: I’m not sure if this is still true, but it

RE: NetBSD install experiences

2020-05-11 Thread Robert Nestor
I’m not sure if this is still true, but it was in the past. The NetBSD installer used to get confused about partitioning if one was trying to install a new NetBSD system on a disk that had previously contained an installation of some other system like OpenBSD, FreeBSD or Linux. This was on MBR

Re: NetBSD install experiences

2020-05-11 Thread Martin Husemann
On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 09:55:28AM -0700, Salil Wadnerkar wrote: > 1. I had OpenBSD and NetBSD installed on it (NetBSD, because I wanted to > dual boot, but I could not get the dual boot working. So, I decided to just > go with NetBSD). NetBSD installer mounted these partitions (or slices in > BSD

Re: NetBSD install experiences

2020-05-11 Thread Salil Wadnerkar
I also just tried installing NetBSD 9.0 stable UEFI version yesterday on my laptop, and gave up after it segfaulted on me a couple of times. Two issues I faced: 1. I had OpenBSD and NetBSD installed on it (NetBSD, because I wanted to dual boot, but I could not get the dual boot working. So, I decid

Re: NetBSD install experiences

2020-05-11 Thread Sad Clouds
On Mon, 11 May 2020 12:00:12 +0200 t...@gmplib.org (Torbjörn Granlund) wrote: > Please consider working on the NetBSD install experience! Now even I, > who is far from a newbie and have tons of patience, consider giving > up. If this had been my first experience with NetBSD, I would have > given

Re: NetBSD install experiences

2020-05-11 Thread Vincent DEFERT
I also had tons of package installation problems of the same kind for weeks... Until I tried and use the German mirror and everything worked fine. This means that between Feb. 14th and Apr. 25th, I've been unable to install NetBSD 9.0, and I've finally succeeded just by chance. I'm happy I've

Re: NetBSD install experiences

2020-05-11 Thread Martin Husemann
On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 12:00:12PM +0200, Torbjörn Granlund wrote: > But 9.0 is completely wild. One gets crazy values if one selects > Megabytes as input measurement, and not the same for amd64 and i386! I > asked for NetBSD partition start of 1MB and got something greater than > both MB and Mib

NetBSD install experiences

2020-05-11 Thread Torbjörn Granlund
What is the best way of keeping current users and welcoming new users? I believe with a well-working install program, including package install. Or, negating that, poorly a working install program is a god way of turning people away. I assume everyone agrees thus far. I have installed NetBSD hu