Re: netbsd : internals : bach book : good to start-off?

2019-07-27 Thread Rocky Hotas
On Jul 27 7:46, Robert Elz wrote: [...] >Birth time: the time the file was born. Cannot be changed >after the file is created. > > which is incorrect - the (100% useless) birth time is lowered each time > the mod time is made earlier than the birth time was (my guess is that >

Re: netbsd : internals : bach book : good to start-off?

2019-07-26 Thread Robert Elz
Date:Fri, 26 Jul 2019 18:14:31 +0300 From:"Andrei M." Message-ID: | > http://netbsd.org/docs/internals/en/netbsd-internals.html | Far from being complete though: It is also largely (many parts of those that do exist) written for a user who is wanting

Re: netbsd : internals : bach book : good to start-off?

2019-07-26 Thread tlaronde
I'm surprised nobody has mentionned "Lions' Commentary on UNIX(r) 6th Edition with source code" (John Lions). It has been finally published openly a few years ago. On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 03:22:13PM -0700, Germain Le Chapelain wrote: > On Mon, 22 Apr 2019 12:25:07 +0700 > Robert Elz wrote: > >

Re: netbsd : internals : bach book : good to start-off?

2019-07-26 Thread U'll Be King of the Stars
On 26/07/2019 16:14, Andrei M. wrote: чт, 25 июл. 2019 г. в 08:33, Germain Le Chapelain : There is a book litteraly called `NetBSD Internals' in the documentation section of the website: http://netbsd.org/docs/internals/en/netbsd-internals.html Sounds like the best complement to

Re: netbsd : internals : bach book : good to start-off?

2019-07-26 Thread Andrei M.
чт, 25 июл. 2019 г. в 08:33, Germain Le Chapelain : > > On Mon, 22 Apr 2019 12:25:07 +0700 > Robert Elz wrote: > > > | i know and fully acknowledge that i will have to work hard to understand > > | netbsd internals, and the currently, the only way to do so is by reading > > | the source,

Re: netbsd : internals : bach book : good to start-off?

2019-07-24 Thread Germain Le Chapelain
On Mon, 22 Apr 2019 12:25:07 +0700 Robert Elz wrote: > | i know and fully acknowledge that i will have to work hard to understand > | netbsd internals, and the currently, the only way to do so is by reading > | the source, over and over again till i get comfortable with it. > > Yes,

Re: netbsd : internals : bach book : good to start-off?

2019-04-22 Thread Aaron B.
On Mon, 22 Apr 2019 11:17:39 -0700 "Greg A. Woods" wrote: > There is a actually a book that very nearly focuses on early NetBSD (and > FreeBSD, before they diverged so much), and that's McKusick, Bostic, > Karels, and Quarterman's "The Design and Implementation of the 4.4BSD > Operating System",

Re: netbsd : internals : bach book : good to start-off?

2019-04-22 Thread Chavdar Ivanov
The second chapter of the above is available at https://download.freebsd.org/ftp/doc/en/books/design-44bsd/book.pdf . On Mon, 22 Apr 2019 at 19:18, Greg A. Woods wrote: > > At Mon, 22 Apr 2019 05:08:54 GMT, Mayuresh Kathe wrote: > Subject: Re: netbsd : internals : bach book : good to

Re: netbsd : internals : bach book : good to start-off?

2019-04-22 Thread Greg A. Woods
At Mon, 22 Apr 2019 05:08:54 GMT, Mayuresh Kathe wrote: Subject: Re: netbsd : internals : bach book : good to start-off? > > i have no knowledge of any operating system internals, leave alone unix. > so, since bach's book is so light (in terms of page count) and affordable > i thou

Re: netbsd : internals : bach book : good to start-off?

2019-04-21 Thread Robert Elz
Date:Mon, 22 Apr 2019 05:08:54 GMT From:Mayuresh Kathe Message-ID: <201904220508.x3m58skt018...@sdf.org> | i am not looking for a user or programmer's guide. No, I did not really believe that (based upon your first message). | i have no knowledge of any

Re: netbsd : internals : bach book : good to start-off?

2019-04-21 Thread Mayuresh Kathe
> From bounces-netbsd-users-owner-mayuresh=sdf@netbsd.org Mon Apr 22 > 04:55:39 2019 > From: Robert Elz > To: Mayuresh Kathe > cc: netbsd-users@netbsd.org > Subject: Re: netbsd : internals : bach book : good to start-off? > > Date:Mon, 22 Apr 2019

Re: netbsd : internals : bach book : good to start-off?

2019-04-21 Thread Robert Elz
Date:Mon, 22 Apr 2019 04:34:44 GMT From:Mayuresh Kathe Message-ID: <201904220434.x3m4yici026...@sdf.org> | just nitpicking, isn't bach's book reasonable enough for unix internals? :) You think there is just one "unix" to have internals? Or that they are all

Re: netbsd : internals : bach book : good to start-off?

2019-04-21 Thread Mayuresh Kathe
> From bounces-netbsd-users-owner-mayuresh=sdf@netbsd.org Mon Apr 22 > 04:31:24 2019 > From: Robert Elz > To: Mayuresh Kathe > cc: netbsd-users@netbsd.org > Subject: Re: netbsd : internals : bach book : good to start-off? > > Date:Mon, 22 Apr 2019

Re: netbsd : internals : bach book : good to start-off?

2019-04-21 Thread Robert Elz
Date:Mon, 22 Apr 2019 03:54:20 GMT From:Mayuresh Kathe Message-ID: <201904220354.x3m3skvh008...@sdf.org> | would "the design of the unix operating system" by maurice bach | be good as a starting off point to understand netbsd internals? | of-course, there's no

netbsd : internals : bach book : good to start-off?

2019-04-21 Thread Mayuresh Kathe
would "the design of the unix operating system" by maurice bach be good as a starting off point to understand netbsd internals? of-course, there's no substitute to reading and re-reading the source, but just something to act as a spring-board!