[OT] legal status of re-engineering (was Re: atheros driver - desc)

2005-08-25 Thread Harald Welte
Sorry for again posting something OT, but I think the result of this discussion will in the end provide valuable input to a lot of driver authors. On Sun, Aug 07, 2005 at 05:01:34PM +0200, Harald Welte wrote: > On Sun, Aug 07, 2005 at 10:32:07AM +0300, Kalle Valo wrote: > > Harald Welte <[EMAIL PR

Re: atheros driver - desc

2005-08-12 Thread Harald Welte
On Fri, Aug 12, 2005 at 12:37:55AM -0700, Chris Wedgwood wrote: > On Sun, Aug 07, 2005 at 05:01:34PM +0200, Harald Welte wrote: > > > I will consult my legal counsel about this. My current naive > > position on this is that only the actuall process of the > > re-engineering matters, not the resul

Re: atheros driver - desc

2005-08-12 Thread Chris Wedgwood
On Sun, Aug 07, 2005 at 05:01:34PM +0200, Harald Welte wrote: > I will consult my legal counsel about this. My current naive > position on this is that only the actuall process of the > re-engineering matters, not the result. Which countries is this advice valid for? Does someone need to chase

Re: atheros driver - desc

2005-08-07 Thread Harald Welte
On Sun, Aug 07, 2005 at 10:32:07AM +0300, Kalle Valo wrote: > Harald Welte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I don't want to turn this list into a list of legal discussion, but > > since I'm heavily dealing with exactly those issues during my > > gpl-violations.org efforts, I thought I share some

Re: atheros driver - desc

2005-08-07 Thread Kalle Valo
Harald Welte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I don't want to turn this list into a list of legal discussion, but > since I'm heavily dealing with exactly those issues during my > gpl-violations.org efforts, I thought I share some of the facts. Thanks for your answer, it cleared up things. I also do

Re: atheros driver - desc

2005-08-06 Thread Harald Welte
On Sat, Aug 06, 2005 at 04:53:08PM -0400, Jeff Garzik wrote: > > It is certainly preferred that someone write a document describing the > hardware, and then a totally separate team write the driver, based on > that document. No question to that. However, I think it largely depends on _where_ the

Re: atheros driver - desc

2005-08-06 Thread Mateusz Berezecki
Kalle Valo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | | This is great news. An open source Atheros driver which could be | included to Linux is really needed. | | But how was the reverse engineering done? I noticed that forcedeth | driver was implemented using the clean room design[1] and Linux | Broadcom 4301

Re: atheros driver - desc

2005-08-06 Thread Jeff Garzik
It is certainly preferred that someone write a document describing the hardware, and then a totally separate team write the driver, based on that document. Jeff - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe netdev" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majord

Re: atheros driver - desc

2005-08-06 Thread Kalle Valo
Mateusz Berezecki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The driver is not yet fully working because I didn't finish kernel > integration yet. Almost all > driver I/O ops are reverse engineered independently of openbsd openhal > which is missing just too much. > > > Ok, enough talking. Most of the atheros

Re: atheros driver - desc

2005-08-05 Thread Mateusz Berezecki
On 8/5/05, Jeff Garzik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There is no document describing the API AFAIK. > > The best thing to do is read over the ipw2[12]00 drivers. > > Jeff Ok, thanks for pointing me there. best Mateusz - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe netdev"

Re: atheros driver - desc

2005-08-05 Thread Jeff Garzik
Mateusz Berezecki wrote: And regarding that ieee80211 API, I would be very excited if anyone could explain the general overview of how new wireless API works. I read the source but sometimes a quick answer from experienced kernel coder would do more good. There is no document describing the A

Re: atheros driver - desc

2005-08-05 Thread Mateusz Berezecki
On 09:46 Fri 05 Aug , Bryan O'Sullivan wrote: > On Fri, 2005-08-05 at 04:55 +0200, Mateusz Berezecki wrote: > > How far from working is it? I have a miniPCI Atheros card and would be > interested in helping out with bringing the driver up, but it would be > good to know what to expect first :

Re: atheros driver - desc

2005-08-05 Thread Jeff Garzik
Mateusz Berezecki wrote: Hi list members, I just post the code for review for anyone interested. I would be more than pleased to hear some feedback from you on the code. Im sending a series of 8 patches splitted and diffed as in SubmittingPatches documentation. The driver is not yet fully wo

Re: atheros driver - desc

2005-08-05 Thread Bryan O'Sullivan
On Fri, 2005-08-05 at 04:55 +0200, Mateusz Berezecki wrote: > The driver is not yet fully working because I didn't finish kernel > integration yet. How far from working is it? I have a miniPCI Atheros card and would be interested in helping out with bringing the driver up, but it would be good

Re: atheros driver - desc

2005-08-05 Thread Michael Renzmann
Hi. Mateusz Berezecki wrote: > Im sending a series of 8 patches splitted and diffed as in > SubmittingPatches documentation. Patch 4/8 is missing here. Bye, Mike -- Use PGP/GPG! My key: http://keys.indymedia.org/cgi-bin/lookup?op=get&search=62C29B94 Fingerprint: BC2E 79BF 0C8F 0282 864B 9CEC 83

atheros driver - desc

2005-08-04 Thread Mateusz Berezecki
Hi list members, I just post the code for review for anyone interested. I would be more than pleased to hear some feedback from you on the code. Im sending a series of 8 patches splitted and diffed as in SubmittingPatches documentation. The driver is not yet fully working because I didn't fin