Re: [netmod] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-netmod-yang-json-05.txt

2015-09-21 Thread Andy Bierman
Hi, I agree that anydata is much better than anyxml because it represents how this "schema replacement" is actually being used. I don't worry about anyxml too much. It would be better to just rename anyxml, or declare it really means anydata, but that would not be backward-compatible. If anyxml

Re: [netmod] New Version Notification for draft-ietf-netmod-yang-json-05.txt

2015-09-21 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 08:24:28AM +0200, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > > Yes, but the same thing can be done with anyxml, right? It has been > demonstrated in RFC 6241, ietf-yang-patch and probably elsewhere, too, > and it does the job. > > The use case of passing around literally "any XML" is really

Re: [netmod] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-netmod-yang-json-05.txt

2015-09-21 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 11:25:25AM -0700, Andy Bierman wrote: > > The "anyxml" node allows XML-specific details like processing instructions. > It is a blob of XML. It is not JSON. It is not YANG. It is XML. > This is academic, because the vast majority of servers do not support anyxml > at all

Re: [netmod] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-netmod-yang-json-05.txt

2015-09-21 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 08:29:16PM +0200, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > > > On 16 Sep 2015, at 18:00, Andy Bierman wrote: > > > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 8:17 AM, Juergen Schoenwaelder > > wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 12:21:44PM -0700, Andy Bierman wrote: > > > On Tue, Sep 15, 2015

[netmod] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-netmod-yang-json-05 (until 2015-10-05)

2015-09-21 Thread Kent Watsen
This is a notice to start a NETMOD WG last call for the document "JSON Encoding of Data Modeled with YANG": https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-json-05 Please indicate your support by Monday October 5, 2015 at 9PM EDT. We are not only interested in receiving defect reports

[netmod] Fwd: Re: Openconfig protocol(s)

2015-09-21 Thread Benoit Claise
Forwarded Anees Shaikh's email, with permission. Thanks Anees. I believe it's useful info for NETMOD. Regards, Benoit Forwarded Message hi Benoit, we will be publishing the primitives after we complete our internal review -- it's in progress. There's nothing secret ab

Re: [netmod] opstate-reqs #7: Why limit scope to just IETF-defined modules

2015-09-21 Thread Andy Bierman
Hi, I do not think the issue of scope is being considered very carefully. IMO the solutions being proposed are extremely router-centric. (e.g., most NETCONF servers DO NOT have any virtual servers within them). The larger the scope, the more concern I have that the IETF will be pushing expensive

Re: [netmod] opstate-reqs #7: Why limit scope to just IETF-defined modules

2015-09-21 Thread Kent Watsen
Thanks Robert, but I think I like Benoit's edit more. Are you OK with it as well? PS: I've moved this issue to the VERIFY state. Thanks, Kent On 9/21/15, 5:34 AM, "Robert Wilton" wrote: >Hi, > >I suggest changing the wording for A and adding D: > >7. Ability for distinct modules to l

Re: [netmod] ACL Model 03 - ACL Type should be mandatory

2015-09-21 Thread Ladislav Lhotka
> On 21 Sep 2015, at 16:50, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: > > > > On 9/21/15, 10:23 AM, "netmod on behalf of Ladislav Lhotka" > wrote: > >> "Sterne, Jason (Jason)" writes: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I met with Dean at IETF93 and we agreed that I should send a specific >>> proposal to the list for

Re: [netmod] ACL Model 03 - ACL Type should be mandatory

2015-09-21 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
On 9/21/15, 10:23 AM, "netmod on behalf of Ladislav Lhotka" wrote: >"Sterne, Jason (Jason)" writes: > >> Hi all, >> >> I met with Dean at IETF93 and we agreed that I should send a specific >>proposal to the list for this. Here it is: >> >> -

Re: [netmod] ACL Model 03 - ACL Type should be mandatory

2015-09-21 Thread Ladislav Lhotka
"Sterne, Jason (Jason)" writes: > Hi all, > > I met with Dean at IETF93 and we agreed that I should send a specific > proposal to the list for this. Here it is: > > - > Replace the following current snippets from model-03: > --

Re: [netmod] ACL Model 03 - ACL Type should be mandatory

2015-09-21 Thread Martin Bjorklund
"Sterne, Jason (Jason)" wrote: > Hi Martin, > > I think you raised those questions before about the model and they are > useful to discuss but are they specific to my proposed modification to > make the type mandatory or do your questions apply equally to the > current v3 model as-is ? > > We ma

Re: [netmod] ACL Model 03 - ACL Type should be mandatory

2015-09-21 Thread Sterne, Jason (Jason)
Hi Martin, I think you raised those questions before about the model and they are useful to discuss but are they specific to my proposed modification to make the type mandatory or do your questions apply equally to the current v3 model as-is ? We may want to fork off two somewhat independent em

Re: [netmod] FW: New Version Notification for draft-chairs-netmod-opstate-reqs-00.txt - REQ 6 clarification

2015-09-21 Thread Benoit Claise
Thanks Rob, that clarifies the situation for me. Regards, Benoit On 14 September 2015 at 08:43:53, Benoit Claise (bcla...@cisco.com) wrote: Re-reading this section 4.5, I understand 6A and 6C, but is 6B also required? Do we need to make the link between a config node and all the derived counte

Re: [netmod] Issue 7 (Re: closing issues on opstate-reqs)

2015-09-21 Thread Benoit Claise
Sent too fast. I would change the requirement text like this. OLD: 7. Ability for distinct modules to leverage a common model-structure A. Scope is limited to IETF-defined modules B. Multiple domain-specific trees are okay C. Multiple namespaces are okay NEW: 7. Ab

[netmod] Issue Re: closing issues on opstate-reqs

2015-09-21 Thread Benoit Claise
Dear all, One update on my side on https://github.com/netmod-wg/opstate-reqs/issues/7: Why limit scope to just IETF-defined modules? This issue will be taken care of in the Guidelines document RFC6087bis, for both the IETF and the other SDOs, once we agree on the solution. It is covered by

[netmod] today's virtual interim on YANG 1.1 cancelled

2015-09-21 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
Hi, after consulting with Martin Bjorklund, I decided to cancel today's YANG 1.1 virtual interim meeting. Martin believes he has the input needed to produce the next revision of draft-ietf-netmod-rfc6020bis. This update should be posted during this week. We will then do any word smithing that migh

Re: [netmod] opstate-reqs #7: Why limit scope to just IETF-defined modules

2015-09-21 Thread Robert Wilton
Hi, I suggest changing the wording for A and adding D: 7. Ability for distinct modules to leverage a common model-structure A. Scope is limited to providing a general model-structure only B. Multiple domain-specific trees are okay C. Multiple namespaces are okay

Re: [netmod] YANG Mount = Alias Mount + Peer Mount (was RE: Motivations for Structuring Models)

2015-09-21 Thread Ladislav Lhotka
Hi Eric, we are dealing with two rather different problems: 1. A pull-type method for combining YANG schemas as a complement to "augment". 2. A proxy function that mediates access to data that are located elsewhere. I believe the recent thread on structuring YANG models has been about #1

Re: [netmod] Y26 again, sorry

2015-09-21 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 10:00:46AM +0200, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > Juergen Schoenwaelder writes: > > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 06:19:20PM -0700, Randy Presuhn wrote: > > > >> >> Let's look at a slightly more complex hypothetical case to tease > >> >> out how folks *want* things to work. Assume

Re: [netmod] ACL Model 03 - ACL Type should be mandatory

2015-09-21 Thread Martin Bjorklund
Hi, See below for some clarifying questions. "Sterne, Jason (Jason)" wrote: > Hi all, > > I met with Dean at IETF93 and we agreed that I should send a > specific proposal to the list for this. Here it is: > > - > Replace the following curre