Re: [netmod] augment YANG 1.0 with YANG 1.1 OK?

2017-10-25 Thread Andy Bierman
On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 12:49 PM, Martin Bjorklund wrote: > Andy Bierman wrote: > > I think NMDA is creating much more complexity and disruption than is > > required. > > The original issue was the OpenConfig-style config/state trees. > > The WG agreed that an RPC-based solution was needed so th

Re: [netmod] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-netmod-acl-model-14

2017-10-25 Thread Mahesh Jethanandani
Acee, Thanks for reviewing the draft. > On Oct 25, 2017, at 6:21 AM, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: > > Hi Kent, Mahesh, et al, > > I have read the draft and support publication. I have two comments on the > -14 version. > > 1. The tree diagrams do not fit within the draft pages. Note that recen

Re: [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-yang-tree-diagrams-02.txt

2017-10-25 Thread Alexander Clemm
I would find an option to show "uses" very useful, instead of always having to expand groupings. Depending on the groupings and the amount of groupings reuse it can cut down complexity of trees substantially and directs focus to the forest, not the trees - really ultimately the intent of this.

Re: [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-yang-tree-diagrams-02.txt

2017-10-25 Thread Kent Watsen
>From another thread in NETCONF, Juergen writes: I do not know whether the official tree diagram formats will have ways to show say a container with used groupings collapsed. This may actually be useful sometimes, but this is not what you are look for here either. I am thinking about

Re: [netmod] augment YANG 1.0 with YANG 1.1 OK?

2017-10-25 Thread Andy Bierman
On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 12:49 PM, Martin Bjorklund wrote: > Andy Bierman wrote: > > I think NMDA is creating much more complexity and disruption than is > > required. > > The original issue was the OpenConfig-style config/state trees. > > The WG agreed that an RPC-based solution was needed so th

Re: [netmod] augment YANG 1.0 with YANG 1.1 OK?

2017-10-25 Thread Martin Bjorklund
Andy Bierman wrote: > I think NMDA is creating much more complexity and disruption than is > required. > The original issue was the OpenConfig-style config/state trees. > The WG agreed that an RPC-based solution was needed so that the > YANG modules would not need to change (far too disruptive!).

Re: [netmod] augment YANG 1.0 with YANG 1.1 OK?

2017-10-25 Thread Andy Bierman
On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 10:05 AM, Robert Wilton wrote: > Hi Andy, > > On 25/10/2017 16:54, Andy Bierman wrote: > > > > On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 4:08 AM, Juergen Schoenwaelder < > j.schoenwael...@jacobs-university.de> wrote: > >> It seems we are jumping between topics. I will skip over comments >>

Re: [netmod] augment YANG 1.0 with YANG 1.1 OK?

2017-10-25 Thread Andy Bierman
On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Martin Bjorklund wrote: > Hi, > > Robert Wilton wrote: > > Hi Andy, > > > > > > On 25/10/2017 16:54, Andy Bierman wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 4:08 AM, Juergen Schoenwaelder > > > > > > wrote: > >

Re: [netmod] augment YANG 1.0 with YANG 1.1 OK?

2017-10-25 Thread Martin Bjorklund
Hi, Robert Wilton wrote: > Hi Andy, > > > On 25/10/2017 16:54, Andy Bierman wrote: > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 4:08 AM, Juergen Schoenwaelder > > > > wrote: > > > > It seems we are jumping between topics. I will skip over comments > >

Re: [netmod] augment YANG 1.0 with YANG 1.1 OK?

2017-10-25 Thread Robert Wilton
Hi Andy, On 25/10/2017 16:54, Andy Bierman wrote: On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 4:08 AM, Juergen Schoenwaelder > wrote: It seems we are jumping between topics. I will skip over comments concerning the YANG library and whether it is OK or not O

Re: [netmod] augment YANG 1.0 with YANG 1.1 OK?

2017-10-25 Thread Andy Bierman
On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 4:08 AM, Juergen Schoenwaelder < j.schoenwael...@jacobs-university.de> wrote: > It seems we are jumping between topics. I will skip over comments > concerning the YANG library and whether it is OK or not OK that YANG > library allows different schemas in different datastore

Re: [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-yang-tree-diagrams-02.txt

2017-10-25 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
While the tree diagram ID has only informative references, I think this is actually not true. I think RFC7950, RFC 8040 and I-D.ietf-netmod-schema-mount are actually normative references since they define the nodes we are talking about. If so, this ID depends on schema mount. Not a problem but won

Re: [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-yang-tree-diagrams-02.txt

2017-10-25 Thread Lou Berger
Hi Rob, On 10/25/2017 9:20 AM, Robert Wilton wrote: > Hi Lou, > > Do you know when the plan is to call WG LC on this draft?  This is Kent's call as I'm co-author. > It is another > draft that would be good to get out of the door so that all the drafts > that define YANG modules can reference

Re: [netmod] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-netmod-acl-model-14

2017-10-25 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
Hi Kent, Mahesh, et al, I have read the draft and support publication. I have two comments on the -14 version. 1. The tree diagrams do not fit within the draft pages. Note that recent versions of pyang support the —tree-line-length parameter and this may help. 2. While it is non-normative,

Re: [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-yang-tree-diagrams-02.txt

2017-10-25 Thread Robert Wilton
Hi Lou, Do you know when the plan is to call WG LC on this draft?  It is another draft that would be good to get out of the door so that all the drafts that define YANG modules can reference it. Thanks, Rob On 25/10/2017 14:13, Lou Berger wrote: Hi,     This version addresses all known /

Re: [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-yang-tree-diagrams-02.txt

2017-10-25 Thread Lou Berger
Hi,     This version addresses all known / open issues in the draft known to the authors. The changes are as follows: - Added groupings and yang-data descriptions - Added Comments, Long Diagrams and Security Considerations sections - Clarified representation of schema mount points and representat

[netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-yang-tree-diagrams-02.txt

2017-10-25 Thread internet-drafts
A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Network Modeling WG of the IETF. Title : YANG Tree Diagrams Authors : Martin Bjorklund Lou Berger Filename:

Re: [netmod] augment YANG 1.0 with YANG 1.1 OK?

2017-10-25 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
It seems we are jumping between topics. I will skip over comments concerning the YANG library and whether it is OK or not OK that YANG library allows different schemas in different datastores. On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 11:21:54AM -0700, Andy Bierman wrote: > On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 10:21 AM, Juergen