[netmod] Proposed update to draft-ietf-core-comi

2018-10-09 Thread Michel Veillette
The propose update to CoMI is available on github at: https://core-wg.github.io/comi/draft-ietf-core-comi.txt. A diff can be generated using the following URI. https://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url1=https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-core-comi-03.txt&url2=https://core-wg.github.io/comi/draft-ietf-co

[netmod] Whitespace in XML encoding - allowed ?

2018-10-09 Thread Balázs Lengyel
Hello, Recently we came up against a problem where a certain implementation did not accept the following: report-all while it did accept report-all I am unsure whether YANG's XML encoding allows whitespace before and after a leaf's value? In R

Re: [netmod] Whitespace in XML encoding - allowed ?

2018-10-09 Thread Qin Wu
This issue has been touched by earlier version of draft-kwatsen-netmod-artwork-folding-07. RFC7950 has provide XML encoding rule as follows: " Any whitespace between the subelements to the list entry is insignificant, i.e., an implementation MAY insert whitespace characters between subelemen

Re: [netmod] Whitespace in XML encoding - allowed ?

2018-10-09 Thread Balázs Lengyel
Hello, That does not answer my question about whitespace around individual leaf/leaf-list values. The question about all these examples is also open. regards Balazs On 2018. 10. 09. 11:23, Qin Wu wrote: This issue

Re: [netmod] Whitespace in XML encoding - allowed ?

2018-10-09 Thread Martin Bjorklund
Balázs Lengyel wrote: > Hello, > > Recently we came up against a problem where a certain implementation > did not accept the following: > > > report-all > > > while it did accept > > report-all > > I am unsure whether YANG's XML encoding allows whitespace before and > after a leaf's val

Re: [netmod] Whitespace in XML encoding - allowed ?

2018-10-09 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hence why we go through so many hoops in the line-wrapping draft. Adrian > -Original Message- > From: netmod [mailto:netmod-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Martin Bjorklund > Sent: 09 October 2018 11:07 > To: balazs.leng...@ericsson.com > Cc: netmod@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [netmod] Whitesp

Re: [netmod] Whitespace in XML encoding - allowed ?

2018-10-09 Thread Ladislav Lhotka
Balázs Lengyel writes: > Hello, > > Recently we came up against a problem where a certain implementation did not > accept the > following: > > > report-all > > > while it did accept > > report-all The "with-defaults" leaf is modelled as an enumeration in RFC 6243 (sec. 5), so the lexical

Re: [netmod] WG adoption poll - draft-lengyel-netmod-yang-instance-data-04

2018-10-09 Thread Balázs Lengyel
Hello Qin, I will add the referemce. Netconf server capabilities can be read from ietf-netconf-monitoring /ncm:netconf-state/ncm:capabilities/ncm:capability regards Balazs On 2018. 10. 09. 8:28, Qin Wu wrote: Support adoption of this draft, Two quick comments on this draft 1. section 2.5 fac

Re: [netmod] WG adoption poll

2018-10-09 Thread Ladislav Lhotka
I support the adoption. Lada Lou Berger writes: > All, > > This is start of a two week poll on making > draft-lengyel-netmod-yang-instance-data-04 a working group > document. Please send email to the list indicating "yes/support" or > "no/do not support". If indicating no, please state your re

Re: [netmod] WG adoption poll

2018-10-09 Thread Martin Bjorklund
Hi, I still think that this draft should either be split into two, one for specifiying the generic file format (ok with examples), and one for "Documenting Server Capabilities", or the document should just be about the file format (+ *examples*). [The current document mixes the two; it's a bit as

Re: [netmod] WG adoption poll

2018-10-09 Thread Robert Wilton
+1 to Martin's comments.  I think that I made similar comments at the mic at IETF 102. I strongly support the idea of documenting YANG instance data. If the WG timing works out I would like this to cover CBOR as well. I also strongly support the idea of documenting server capabilities.  But

Re: [netmod] WG adoption poll

2018-10-09 Thread Ladislav Lhotka
On Tue, 2018-10-09 at 12:19 +0100, Robert Wilton wrote: > +1 to Martin's comments. I think that I made similar comments at the > mic at IETF 102. Me too, it is also recoreded in the minutes. I thought this could be addressed after this draft becomes a WG item. Lada > > I strongly support the

Re: [netmod] WG adoption poll - instance-data

2018-10-09 Thread Balázs Lengyel
Hello Martin, I agree that this document shall be about defining the file format, and server capabilities shall only be a use-case.) I already took out a lot of text, that explicitly recommended using instance data for documenting capabilities. Server capabilities are only mentioned in the intr

Re: [netmod] WG adoption poll

2018-10-09 Thread Joe Clarke
On 10/8/18 07:38, Lou Berger wrote: > All, > > This is start of a two week poll on making > draft-lengyel-netmod-yang-instance-data-04 a working group > document. Please send email to the list indicating "yes/support" or > "no/do not support".  If indicating no, please state your reservations > wi

Re: [netmod] WG adoption poll - instance-data

2018-10-09 Thread Martin Bjorklund
Hi, Balázs Lengyel wrote: > Hello Martin, > > I agree that this document shall be about defining the file format, > and server capabilities shall only be a use-case.) > > I already took out a lot of text, that explicitly recommended using > instance data for documenting capabilities. Server cap

Re: [netmod] WG adoption poll - instance-data

2018-10-09 Thread Balázs Lengyel
OK, If the chairs are happy with that, I can update the document before I store it as an official netmod document. regards Balazs On 2018. 10. 09. 14:25, Martin Bjorklund wrote: Hi, Balázs Lengyel wrote: Hello Martin, I agree that this document shall be about defining the file format, and

Re: [netmod] WG adoption poll - instance-data

2018-10-09 Thread Robert Wilton
I would expect that there are many other alternative uses of YANG instance data. Some possible alternatives that I can think of: - Storing the configuration of a device at some point in time to a file, e.g. for archive or audit purposes. - Storing diagnostics data, if the format of the data was

Re: [netmod] WG adoption poll

2018-10-09 Thread Reshad Rahman (rrahman)
Support. On 2018-10-08, 7:39 AM, "netmod on behalf of Lou Berger" wrote: All, This is start of a two week poll on making draft-lengyel-netmod-yang-instance-data-04 a working group document. Please send email to the list indicating "yes/support" or "no/do not support".

[netmod] Benjamin Kaduk's No Objection on draft-ietf-netmod-schema-mount-11: (with COMMENT)

2018-10-09 Thread Benjamin Kaduk
Benjamin Kaduk has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-netmod-schema-mount-11: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refe

Re: [netmod] WG adoption poll

2018-10-09 Thread Susan Hares
Yes - support for this document. Susan Hares -Original Message- From: netmod [mailto:netmod-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Lou Berger Sent: Monday, October 8, 2018 7:39 AM To: NetMod WG Cc: NetMod WG Chairs Subject: [netmod] WG adoption poll All, This is start of a two week poll on ma

Re: [netmod] WG adoption poll for draft-clemm-netmod-nmda-diff-00

2018-10-09 Thread Susan Hares
Support – I’m not sure I saw this on the list. Cheerily, Sue Hares On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 2:48 PM Kent Watsen wrote: The IETF 102 in-room poll should really good support to adopt this draft, and no objections. This email starts an adoption poll for: https://tools.ietf.or

Re: [netmod] WG adoption poll - instance-data

2018-10-09 Thread Kent Watsen
As co-chair, I have two minds: 1) requests a fix and redo the adoption poll 2) realize that it's a living doc and regardless how it begins, the WG can sort it out in time. i.e., we're adopting to work on the problem, not necessarily the specific solution. While (1) seems more

Re: [netmod] WG adoption poll for draft-clemm-netmod-nmda-diff-00

2018-10-09 Thread Kent Watsen
I agree that a mandatory to implement format is desirable. I disagree that YANG-Patch is the right format, for reasons stated before. I feel that a compromise of this sort for a mandatory-to-implement is wrong. If this is what the WG wants, I withdraw my support. Kent // contributor -Or

Re: [netmod] Whitespace in XML encoding - allowed ?

2018-10-09 Thread Kent Watsen
As Martin points out, this is how XML works. As a result, XML instance documents are poster-child examples for why long lines occur sometimes, and where the artwork-folding draft shines when placing said examples into drafts. Lada, good point, but would there be a layer violation? Kent // cont

[netmod] WHEN statement within mandatory objects doesn't ensure presence of the mandatory object

2018-10-09 Thread Michael Rehder
I have a question about “when” and mandatory objects. It seems to me that the implemented semantics of “when” are really “optional when”, in that the enclosing object can be absent even though it is mandatory and the “when” clause holds true. The RFC could be clearer about this. Example lea

Re: [netmod] WG adoption poll - instance-data

2018-10-09 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
On Tue, Oct 09, 2018 at 05:07:06PM +, Kent Watsen wrote: > > As co-chair, I have two minds: > > 1) requests a fix and redo the adoption poll > 2) realize that it's a living doc and regardless > how it begins, the WG can sort it out in time. > i.e., we're adopting to work on the

[netmod] Eric Rescorla's Discuss on draft-ietf-netmod-schema-mount-11: (with DISCUSS)

2018-10-09 Thread Eric Rescorla
Eric Rescorla has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-netmod-schema-mount-11: Discuss When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to h

Re: [netmod] Whitespace in XML encoding - allowed ?

2018-10-09 Thread Ladislav Lhotka
On Tue, 2018-10-09 at 17:24 +, Kent Watsen wrote: > As Martin points out, this is how XML works. > > As a result, XML instance documents are poster-child examples for why long > lines occur sometimes, and where the artwork-folding draft shines when placing > said examples into drafts. > > Lad