Re: [netmod] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-07: (with DISCUSS)

Hi Juergen, > -Original Message- > From: Schönwälder, Jürgen > Sent: 18 February 2020 11:20 > To: Rob Wilton (rwilton) > Cc: netmod@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [netmod] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ietf-netmod- > module-tags-07: (with DISCUSS) > > On

Re: [netmod] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-07: (with DISCUSS)

On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 11:12:47AM +, Rob Wilton (rwilton) wrote: > > I'm also not convinced of how many implementations would properly honour the > XML regex property categories, e.g., if the pattern statement has been > translated to another regex engine. > That's a weird argument. If the

Re: [netmod] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-07: (with DISCUSS)

regex engine. Thanks, Rob > -Original Message- > From: netmod On Behalf Of Per Hedeland > Sent: 17 February 2020 22:31 > To: Christian Hopps ; Randy Presuhn > > Cc: netmod@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [netmod] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ietf-netmod-

Re: [netmod] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-07: (with DISCUSS)

Hi - On 2/17/2020 2:14 PM, Christian Hopps wrote: ... If you are talking about the property categories (where I see 'Z' mentioned as "All separators") then there doesn't appear to be a "lower means include, upper means exclude" relationship. Also it appears that to refer to one of these things

Re: [netmod] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-07: (with DISCUSS)

FWIUW, I created a YANG-Next issue to track the needed long-term update to RFC 7950: https://github.com/netmod-wg/yang-next/issues/102 Kent > On Feb 17, 2020, at 5:31 PM, Per Hedeland wrote: > > On 2020-02-17 23:14, Christian Hopps wrote:

Re: [netmod] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-07: (with DISCUSS)

On 2020-02-17 23:14, Christian Hopps wrote: > > >> On Feb 17, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Randy Presuhn wrote: >> >> Hi - >> >> On 2/17/2020 11:47 AM, Christian Hopps wrote: On Feb 17, 2020, at 11:51 AM, Randy Presuhn wrote: Hi - On 2/17/2020 3:15 AM, Christian Hopps wrote: ... > BTW, I did lo

Re: [netmod] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-07: (with DISCUSS)

> On Feb 17, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Randy Presuhn > wrote: > > Hi - > > On 2/17/2020 11:47 AM, Christian Hopps wrote: >>> On Feb 17, 2020, at 11:51 AM, Randy Presuhn >>> wrote: Hi - On 2/17/2020 3:15 AM, >>> Christian Hopps wrote: ... BTW, I did look at the "SHOULD be avoided" (occurs twi

Re: [netmod] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-07: (with DISCUSS)

Hi - On 2/17/2020 11:47 AM, Christian Hopps wrote: On Feb 17, 2020, at 11:51 AM, Randy Presuhn wrote: Hi - On 2/17/2020 3:15 AM, Christian Hopps wrote: ... BTW, I did look at the "SHOULD be avoided" (occurs twice that I saw) once dealing with LFs and CRs which lucky for us is not part of a t

Re: [netmod] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-07: (with DISCUSS)

On 2020-02-17 20:47, Christian Hopps wrote: > > >> On Feb 17, 2020, at 11:51 AM, Randy Presuhn wrote: >> >> Hi - >> >> On 2/17/2020 3:15 AM, Christian Hopps wrote: >> ... >>> BTW, I did look at the "SHOULD be avoided" (occurs twice that I saw) once dealing with LFs and CRs which lucky for us is

Re: [netmod] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-07: (with DISCUSS)

> On Feb 17, 2020, at 12:09 PM, Schönwälder, Jürgen > wrote: > > IANA assigned > +tags must conform to Net-Unicode as defined in RFC 5198 and they shall > +not need normalization. Seems good to me. Changed locally. Thanks, Chris. ___ netmod mailin

Re: [netmod] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-07: (with DISCUSS)

> On Feb 17, 2020, at 11:51 AM, Randy Presuhn > wrote: > > Hi - > > On 2/17/2020 3:15 AM, Christian Hopps wrote: > ... > > BTW, I did look at the "SHOULD be avoided" (occurs twice that I saw) once > > dealing with LFs and CRs which lucky for us is not part of a tags allowable > > character

Re: [netmod] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-07: (with DISCUSS)

hönwälder, Jürgen > >> Sent: 14 February 2020 14:31 > >> To: Rob Wilton (rwilton) > >> Cc: Alexey Melnikov ; netmod@ietf.org; Joel > >> Jaeggli ; Christian Hopps ; The IESG > >> > >> Subject: Re: [netmod] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draf

Re: [netmod] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-07: (with DISCUSS)

Hi - On 2/17/2020 3:15 AM, Christian Hopps wrote: ... > BTW, I did look at the "SHOULD be avoided" (occurs twice that I saw) once dealing with LFs and CRs which lucky for us is not part of a tags allowable characters. There are lots of other things that complicate life.  The Yang string defi

Re: [netmod] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-07: (with DISCUSS)

exey Melnikov ; netmod@ietf.org; Joel >> Jaeggli ; Christian Hopps ; The IESG >> >> Subject: Re: [netmod] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ietf-netmod- >> module-tags-07: (with DISCUSS) >> >> Rob, >> >> I think there are two related issues here: >

Re: [netmod] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-07: (with DISCUSS)

> From: iesg On Behalf Of Schönwälder, Jürgen > > > Sent: 13 February 2020 18:39 > > > To: Alexey Melnikov > > > Cc: netmod-cha...@ietf.org; draft-ietf-netmod-module-t...@ietf.org; > > > netmod@ietf.org; Joel Jaeggli ; Christian Hopps > > > ; The IE

Re: [netmod] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-07: (with DISCUSS)

> On Feb 14, 2020, at 1:05 PM, Randy Presuhn > wrote: > > Hi - > > On 2/14/2020 3:21 AM, Christian Hopps wrote: >> How about I add this to the description of "typedef tag" in the module: >> >>description >> "A tag is a type 'string' value that does not include carriage >>

Re: [netmod] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-07: (with DISCUSS)

Hi - On 2/14/2020 3:21 AM, Christian Hopps wrote: How about I add this to the description of "typedef tag" in the module: description "A tag is a type 'string' value that does not include carriage return, newline or tab characters. It SHOULD begin with a

Re: [netmod] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-07: (with DISCUSS)

On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 3:01 AM Christian Hopps wrote: > I was not approaching this discuss with this level of change in mind. How > many years does it take to get a YANG model even one as simple as this > completed? > > I strongly agree. Just because there are refinements to the YANG "string" d

Re: [netmod] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-07: (with DISCUSS)

> > > -Original Message- > > From: iesg On Behalf Of Schönwälder, Jürgen > > Sent: 13 February 2020 18:39 > > To: Alexey Melnikov > > Cc: netmod-cha...@ietf.org; draft-ietf-netmod-module-t...@ietf.org; > > netmod@ietf.org; Joel Jaeggli ; C

Re: [netmod] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-07: (with DISCUSS)

Hi Chris, I think that would be okay, although perhaps using SHOULD rather than "should" might be better, given that SHOULD NOT is used elsewhere in the description. Thanks, Rob > -Original Message- > From: Christian Hopps > Sent: 14 February 2020 11:21 > To: Rob Wilton (rwilton) > C

Re: [netmod] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-07: (with DISCUSS)

How about I add this to the description of "typedef tag" in the module: description "A tag is a type 'string' value that does not include carriage return, newline or tab characters. It SHOULD begin with a registered prefix; however, tags without a registered pre

Re: [netmod] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-07: (with DISCUSS)

For the record this one is 3 years and counting. For a list of tags. > On Feb 14, 2020, at 6:01 AM, Christian Hopps wrote: > > I was not approaching this discuss with this level of change in mind. How > many years does it take to get a YANG model even one as simple as this > completed? > > Th

Re: [netmod] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-07: (with DISCUSS)

I was not approaching this discuss with this level of change in mind. How many years does it take to get a YANG model even one as simple as this completed? Thanks, Chris. > On Feb 14, 2020, at 5:43 AM, Rob Wilton (rwilton) wrote: > > Hi Alexey, Christian, > > Allowing Unicode but requiring n

Re: [netmod] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-07: (with DISCUSS)

Hi Alexey, Christian, Allowing Unicode but requiring normalization as per RFC 5198 for IANA managed tags makes sense to me. But does the server also need to normalize any configured tags? I.e. should the description for the tag typedef also specify that tags SHOULD be normalized, and specify

Re: [netmod] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-07: (with DISCUSS)

cha...@ietf.org; draft-ietf-netmod-module-t...@ietf.org; > netmod@ietf.org; Joel Jaeggli ; Christian Hopps > ; The IESG > Subject: Re: [netmod] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ietf-netmod- > module-tags-07: (with DISCUSS) > > And a longer term solution might be to defin

Re: [netmod] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-07: (with DISCUSS)

> On Feb 13, 2020, at 8:10 AM, Alexey Melnikov wrote: > > Hi Christian, > > On Thu, Feb 13, 2020, at 12:30 AM, Christian Hopps wrote: >> The intent in the document is to place as few restrictions on tags as >> possible to allow for future-proofing and organic growth of use both >> within an

Re: [netmod] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-07: (with DISCUSS)

And a longer term solution might be to define a YANG Net-Unicode string datatype that can be used in all situations where non-normalized strings may cause problems. The problem (if one agrees it is one) is likely much bigger than just YANG tags, there likely are many uses of YANG strings where norm

Re: [netmod] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-07: (with DISCUSS)

Hi Christian, On Thu, Feb 13, 2020, at 12:30 AM, Christian Hopps wrote: > The intent in the document is to place as few restrictions on tags as > possible to allow for future-proofing and organic growth of use both > within and outside of SDOs. For standard tags we trust IANA (and the > human b

Re: [netmod] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-07: (with DISCUSS)

The intent in the document is to place as few restrictions on tags as possible to allow for future-proofing and organic growth of use both within and outside of SDOs. For standard tags we trust IANA (and the human behind the process) to make the call on whether a tag is already present. :) Havi

[netmod] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-07: (with DISCUSS)

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