Re: [netmod] WG adoption poll draft-bjorklund-netmod-rfc7227bis-00

2017-09-25 Thread Martin Bjorklund
Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > Martin Bjorklund píše v Po 25. 09. 2017 v 11:57 +0200: > > Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > > > Robert Wilton píše v Čt 21. 09. 2017 v 10:38 +0100: > > > > > > [...] > > > > > > Yes, I agree that this scenario is very likely, but I think that the > > > > > > solution here is

Re: [netmod] WG adoption poll draft-bjorklund-netmod-rfc7227bis-00

2017-09-25 Thread Ladislav Lhotka
Martin Bjorklund píše v Po 25. 09. 2017 v 11:57 +0200: > Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > > Robert Wilton píše v Čt 21. 09. 2017 v 10:38 +0100: > > > [...] > > > > Yes, I agree that this scenario is very likely, but I think that the > > > > solution here is just to not mark the leaf as mandatory. >

Re: [netmod] WG adoption poll draft-bjorklund-netmod-rfc7227bis-00

2017-09-25 Thread Martin Bjorklund
Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > Robert Wilton píše v Čt 21. 09. 2017 v 10:38 +0100: [...] > > Yes, I agree that this scenario is very likely, but I think that the > > solution here is just to not mark the leaf as mandatory. > > But this makes the schema weaker, and implementors may think it needn't b

Re: [netmod] WG adoption poll draft-bjorklund-netmod-rfc7227bis-00

2017-09-22 Thread Ladislav Lhotka
Robert Wilton writes: > On 21/09/2017 16:10, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: >> Robert Wilton píše v Čt 21. 09. 2017 v 10:38 +0100: >>> On 20/09/2017 15:33, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: Robert Wilton writes: > On 19/09/2017 15:07, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: >> Robert Wilton píše v Út 19. 09. 2017

Re: [netmod] WG adoption poll draft-bjorklund-netmod-rfc7227bis-00

2017-09-21 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 05:10:52PM +0200, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > > I can imagine a tool collecting data from a number of devices that fails if a > mandatory state data are absent. > This is not a very robust tool. There are other reasons why a leaf may be absert, e.g., an access control rule.

Re: [netmod] WG adoption poll draft-bjorklund-netmod-rfc7227bis-00

2017-09-21 Thread Robert Wilton
On 21/09/2017 16:10, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: Robert Wilton píše v Čt 21. 09. 2017 v 10:38 +0100: On 20/09/2017 15:33, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: Robert Wilton writes: On 19/09/2017 15:07, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: Robert Wilton píše v Út 19. 09. 2017 v 14:49 +0100: Hi Lada, On 19/09/2017 14:37

Re: [netmod] WG adoption poll draft-bjorklund-netmod-rfc7227bis-00

2017-09-21 Thread Ladislav Lhotka
Robert Wilton píše v Čt 21. 09. 2017 v 10:38 +0100: > > On 20/09/2017 15:33, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > > Robert Wilton writes: > > > > > On 19/09/2017 15:07, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > > > > Robert Wilton píše v Út 19. 09. 2017 v 14:49 +0100: > > > > > Hi Lada, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 19

Re: [netmod] WG adoption poll draft-bjorklund-netmod-rfc7227bis-00

2017-09-21 Thread Ladislav Lhotka
Robert Wilton writes: > On 19/09/2017 15:07, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: >> Robert Wilton píše v Út 19. 09. 2017 v 14:49 +0100: >>> Hi Lada, >>> >>> >>> On 19/09/2017 14:37, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: Martin Bjorklund writes: > Ladislav Lhotka wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I support the

Re: [netmod] WG adoption poll draft-bjorklund-netmod-rfc7227bis-00

2017-09-21 Thread Robert Wilton
On 20/09/2017 15:33, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: Robert Wilton writes: On 19/09/2017 15:07, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: Robert Wilton píše v Út 19. 09. 2017 v 14:49 +0100: Hi Lada, On 19/09/2017 14:37, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: Martin Bjorklund writes: Ladislav Lhotka wrote: Hi, I support the

Re: [netmod] WG adoption poll draft-bjorklund-netmod-rfc7227bis-00

2017-09-20 Thread t.petch
- Original Message - From: "Robert Wilton" Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2017 12:04 PM > On 20/09/2017 11:18, t.petch wrote: > > - Original Message - > > From: "Ladislav Lhotka" > > Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 2:37 PM > > > >> Martin Bjorklund writes: > >> > >>> Ladislav

Re: [netmod] WG adoption poll draft-bjorklund-netmod-rfc7227bis-00

2017-09-20 Thread Robert Wilton
On 20/09/2017 11:18, t.petch wrote: - Original Message - From: "Ladislav Lhotka" Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 2:37 PM Martin Bjorklund writes: Ladislav Lhotka wrote: Hi, I support the adoption but I propose two conceptual changes: 1. Introduce a new module name and namesp

Re: [netmod] WG adoption poll draft-bjorklund-netmod-rfc7227bis-00

2017-09-20 Thread t.petch
- Original Message - From: "Ladislav Lhotka" Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 2:37 PM > Martin Bjorklund writes: > > > Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> I support the adoption but I propose two conceptual changes: > >> > >> 1. Introduce a new module name and namespace so that i

Re: [netmod] WG adoption poll draft-bjorklund-netmod-rfc7227bis-00

2017-09-19 Thread Robert Wilton
On 19/09/2017 15:07, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: Robert Wilton píše v Út 19. 09. 2017 v 14:49 +0100: Hi Lada, On 19/09/2017 14:37, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: Martin Bjorklund writes: Ladislav Lhotka wrote: Hi, I support the adoption but I propose two conceptual changes: 1. Introduce a new mod

Re: [netmod] WG adoption poll draft-bjorklund-netmod-rfc7227bis-00

2017-09-19 Thread Ladislav Lhotka
Robert Wilton píše v Út 19. 09. 2017 v 14:49 +0100: > Hi Lada, > > > On 19/09/2017 14:37, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > > Martin Bjorklund writes: > > > > > Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > I support the adoption but I propose two conceptual changes: > > > > > > > > 1. Introduce

Re: [netmod] WG adoption poll draft-bjorklund-netmod-rfc7227bis-00

2017-09-19 Thread Robert Wilton
Hi Lada, On 19/09/2017 14:37, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: Martin Bjorklund writes: Ladislav Lhotka wrote: Hi, I support the adoption but I propose two conceptual changes: 1. Introduce a new module name and namespace so that it is not necessary to carry along the deprecated baggage. If readabi

Re: [netmod] WG adoption poll draft-bjorklund-netmod-rfc7227bis-00

2017-09-19 Thread Ladislav Lhotka
Martin Bjorklund writes: > Ladislav Lhotka wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I support the adoption but I propose two conceptual changes: >> >> 1. Introduce a new module name and namespace so that it is not >> necessary to carry along the deprecated baggage. If readability is >> the primary concern, this is

Re: [netmod] WG adoption poll draft-bjorklund-netmod-rfc7227bis-00

2017-09-19 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
I believe that starting a new model would cause a real pain since any model augmentations now need to augment two differnet versions of the IP model. (Actually any model references may cause extra work.) I also believe that view that NMDA is for big gear but not for small gear is not quite right.

Re: [netmod] WG adoption poll draft-bjorklund-netmod-rfc7227bis-00

2017-09-19 Thread Martin Bjorklund
Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > Hi, > > I support the adoption but I propose two conceptual changes: > > 1. Introduce a new module name and namespace so that it is not > necessary to carry along the deprecated baggage. If readability is > the primary concern, this is IMO the way to go. Instead of > "ie

Re: [netmod] WG adoption poll draft-bjorklund-netmod-rfc7227bis-00

2017-09-19 Thread Ladislav Lhotka
Hi, I support the adoption but I propose two conceptual changes: 1. Introduce a new module name and namespace so that it is not necessary to carry along the deprecated baggage. If readability is the primary concern, this is IMO the way to go. Instead of "ietf-ip-2", I'd suggest something like "ie

[netmod] WG adoption poll draft-bjorklund-netmod-rfc7227bis-00

2017-09-18 Thread Lou Berger
All, This is start of a two week poll on making draft-bjorklund-netmod-rfc7227bis-00 a working group document. Please send email to the list indicating "yes/support" or "no/do not support". If indicating no, please state your reservations with the document. If yes, please also feel free to provid

[netmod] WG adoption poll draft-bjorklund-netmod-rfc7227bis-00 (resend)

2017-09-18 Thread Lou Berger
All, This is start of a two week poll on making draft-bjorklund-netmod-rfc7227bis-00 a working group document. Please send email to the list indicating "yes/support" or "no/do not support". If indicating no, please state your reservations with the document. If yes, please also feel free to provid