nettime RE: cybernetics and the Internet

2006-06-12 Thread kenneth c. werbin
Hi Brian- Thanks so much for your depthful thoughts, compliments and for the link to your work. I look forward to reading it. These ideas come from my dissertation work entitled 'The List Serves: Bare Life in Open Social Order' which I am getting closer and closer to completing at Concordia

RE: cybernetics and the Internet, Was: nettime NNA...

2006-06-10 Thread kenneth c. werbin
On Sat, 10 Jun 2006, Ronda Hauben wrote: The point there was to encourage cross disciplinary discussion and to break through the communication boundaries of the various disciplines. But the Macy Conferences were actually about feedback systems, not about mathematical philosophy to open social

RE: cybernetics and the Internet, Was: nettime NNA...

2006-06-08 Thread kenneth c. werbin
I was not intending to suggest that the attendees of the Macy conferences were military mathematicians (although some like Wiener clearly were), rather that the Macy conferences saw social scientists, like Mead, consider questions of cybernetics and feedback in their fields, as well as in greater

FW: nettime NNA critical openings and closings

2006-06-07 Thread kenneth c. werbin
There was a passionate point raised near the end of NNA, that just when people begin to critically say something on/about nettime, discussion quickly gets shut down, generally through the invocation of 'highbrow theory' and/or 'academic references'. And while this is true to a certain extent,