Re: nettime Benjamin Mako Hill on Creative Commons

2005-09-01 Thread lotu5
Towards a Standard of Freedom: Creative Commons and the Free Software Movement Author: Benjamin Mako Hill Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 13:39:49 -0400 Copyright:Creative Commons ShareAlike License Hi Mako, This is a great article. It reminds me

Re: nettime Benjamin Mako Hill on Creative Commons

2005-08-04 Thread august
here is my argument in a nutshell: a.) you are using the rhetoric of freedom for the sake of persuasion. I find this rhetoric to be incredibly hollow and needless. b.) you think the CC is not free enough, and therefore detrimental to your cause, becuase it doesn't emit the same attitude or, as

Re: nettime Benjamin Mako Hill on Creative Commons

2005-08-03 Thread Benj. Mako Hill
Please CC me on replies as I am not on this list. quote who=august date=Sat, 30 Jul 2005 21:42:03 +0200 (CEST) Say what? Free to be free to freely think about freedom? Huh? I didn't say this and I am fully aware of the overloaded nature of the word freedom. I *am* arguing for a set of defined

Re: nettime Benjamin Mako Hill on Creative Commons

2005-08-01 Thread Florian Cramer
Am Samstag, 30. Juli 2005 um 21:42:03 Uhr (+0200) schrieb august: Freedom needs standards? Even freedom isn't free anymore? That for sure is the quasi-Goedelian paradox of freedom, it can't describe itself with its own means. If you don't pin down or define [i.e. limit] freedom, than the term

Re: nettime Benjamin Mako Hill on Creative Commons

2005-08-01 Thread Felix Stalder
The CC licenses, however, try to provide some protections for the producers of content by providing non-commercial clauses. Which is a bogus advantage. We had this discussion in Nettime before, and the common sense was that the concept of commerce implied in those clauses is neither

Re: nettime Benjamin Mako Hill on Creative Commons

2005-07-31 Thread august
Say what? Free to be free to freely think about freedom? Huh? Towards a Standard of Freedom: Creative Commons and the Free Software Movement Freedom needs standards? Even freedom isn't free anymore? Why is it that FLOSS advocates are still instistant about what is freedom? Why is that

nettime Benjamin Mako Hill on Creative Commons

2005-07-30 Thread jl @ cc
Mako Hill (Debian, Ubuntu and other projects) posted today rather lenghty and - in my view - well reasoned article about some CC weaknesses. Read all of it below or visit his website http://mako.cc/copyrighteous/. I think this is going to be a widely distributed and discussed, and will make

Re: nettime Benjamin Mako Hill on Creative Commons

2005-07-30 Thread Florian Cramer
What an excellent, spot-on critique of Creative Commons. Creative Commons advocates, directors, and supporters increasingly describe the project as an attempt to apply the principles of Free Software, appropriately adapted, to less technical forms of creative expressions like music,