Re: nettime tensions within the bay area elites

2014-05-13 Thread John Hopkins
Even so, many people here, while disliking Google for some things, also recognize that some of the tech giants are making real efforts on environmental issues, and some of them are trying to at least consider how they affect local communities. But sometimes it's hard to Certainly any of these

Re: nettime [SPAM] Re: tensions within the bay area elites

2014-05-13 Thread James Barrett
I would like to recommend the work of my friend and collegue Astrid Mager here, regarding the ideological and socio-cultural implications of the Google-effect: http://oeaw.academia.edu/AstridMager There is always ideology, and with an infocapitalist economy these are of course not lessened by

Re: nettime tensions within the bay area elites

2014-05-13 Thread Brian Holmes
On 05/13/2014 12:31 AM, michael gurstein wrote: Now that Google's halo is a wee bit dented some deeper reflection on what Google might, through its search algorithms, be doing to our underlying frameworks of knowledge--either inadvertently by structuring them in pursuit of its commercial goals

Re: nettime tensions within the bay area elites

2014-05-13 Thread charlie derr
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 05/13/2014 12:17 AM, John Hopkins wrote: Even so, many people here, while disliking Google for some things, also recognize that some of the tech giants are making real efforts on environmental issues, and some of them are trying to at least

Re: nettime tensions within the bay area elites

2014-05-13 Thread Orsan
if one reads, the IIC -industrial internet cons. documents and others from Cisco, GE on the IoE, one sees how openly these guys argue for 'connecting work and people on the move' the technoutopic way towards singularity which passes through the realisation of Internet of Free Labour in material

Re: nettime tensions within the bay area elites

2014-05-13 Thread t byfield
On May 13, 2014, at 9:45 AM, Brian Holmes bhcontinentaldr...@gmail.com wrote, but not in this order: Why the military robots? Why not remember Manuel De Landa's little book, War In the Age of Intelligent Machines, which caused such a stir in its day? De Landa predicted that computers would

Re: nettime tensions within the bay area elites

2014-05-13 Thread John Hopkins
Indeed Brian! Geez, why couldn't the Stanford folks have just stuck with Pong? Which for me suggests the rhetorical question: What is it that we searching for? JH -- ++ Dr. John Hopkins, BSc, MFA, PhD photographer, media artist, archivist

Re: nettime tensions within the bay area elites

2014-05-13 Thread Michael Reinsborough
Hi nettimers, I don't get as much time to read (let alone to post to) nettime as would like but just wanted to underline the previous posts in this thread that made remarks on google/Kurzweil. Not only is the Kurzweil--other-transhumanists agenda emerging from the private sector (for example

nettime BCP 188: Pervasive Monitoring Is an Attack

2014-05-13 Thread William Waites
Just now from our engineers: http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc7258.txt Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF)S. Farrell Request for Comments: 7258Trinity College Dublin BCP: 188 H. Tschofenig