Re: The 'Jake' Appelbaum case, or the rise and fall of

2016-06-11 Thread morlockelloi
The point is that it does take place, and that it places severe constraints on the organization that suffers from it. Whether the celeb-status is sought as a reward or loathed does not make any difference. Celeb-status creates a vulnerable focus point for the organization. In today's

Re: <> Solidarity with Jacob Appelbaum

2016-06-11 Thread John Young
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Solidarity with Jacob Appelbaum

2016-06-11 Thread John Young
https://cryptome.org/2016/06/appelbaum-solidarity.pdf FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: Saturday 11th June 2016 We, the undersigned, are a group of women who have been friends, colleagues, co-workers or partners of Jacob "Jake" Appelbaum over many years. We have decided that we must speak out due to

Re: Renewed Tyranny of Structurelessness (was: rise and

2016-06-11 Thread mp
On 10/06/16 20:42, biella wrote: > The social movement as a whole, like most social movements, are hard to > structur e (not sure I would want that anyway as social movements are by > definition transve rsal to any one organization, group, or entity) but > there are many important examples of

Re: Renewed Tyranny of Structurelessness (was: rise and

2016-06-11 Thread carlo von lynX
On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 02:42:20PM -0400, biella wrote: > I think it is important to talk about what could have been done > differently but I don't buy into this argument. There are plenty of > institutions and organizations in hackerdom that are structured from > many free software projects

Re: The 'Jake' Appelbaum case, or the rise and fall of

2016-06-11 Thread Andreas Broeckmann
Am 10.06.16 um 18:30 schrieb Frank Rieger: I do see a large difference between the US and the European scene though. The "celebrity" problem you diagnosed is most prevalent in the US. The idea of "rockstar" hackers, programmers etc. has never taken so much hold in Europe or Germany. Am

Re: The 'Jake' Appelbaum case, or the rise and fall of

2016-06-11 Thread Vesna Manojlovic
Dear Frank, thank you for speaking out. I choose to consider your words both as a personal opinion, and as of a representative of CCC as a whole, althou I know that there is no such thing as a "collective opinion", specially within such an anti-authoritatian (& "chaotic" by design)