Re: The alt-right and the death of counterculture

2017-07-08 Thread Keith Hart
I have lived in Pars now for two decades and in that time I have been sustained mainly by French economic sociologists and institutional economists, as well as by networks taking in Latin America, Southern and Northern Europe, Africa and South Asia. There is a dominant ideology in these circles: th

Re: The alt-right and the death of counterculture

2017-07-08 Thread Felix Stalder
On 2017-07-08 10:53, Brian Holmes wrote: > These lines, while pitched at Milo and the young sexy neofascists, > describe a lot of the cultural pranks we used to celebrate in the > festival circuits emanating out from Amsterdam. The big difference > is that until very recently, the world was stab

Re: The alt-right and the death of counterculture

2017-07-08 Thread Morlock Elloi
The notion that one must condone the existing 'efforts', or suggest something better, or shut up, as anything else is supporting the 'enemy', is asinine at best. Desperately clinging to the ideals of the 19/20th century (welfare state, democracy, employment etc., plus some identity politics) i

Re: The alt-right and the death of counterculture

2017-07-08 Thread Ian Alan Paul
"the arc of social movement experience shows that anarchist/autonomist exodus strategies have reached a dead end. Unfortunately, demos like those in Hamburg are just a detail for the state, they don't spill over to the general population and their main effect is to feed the militarization of the po

Re: The alt-right and the death of counterculture

2017-07-08 Thread Brian Holmes
On 07/08/2017 07:39 AM, lincoln dahlberg wrote: what should critique consist of today? what of today's party politics (Corbyn, Podemos, etc?), and what of today's social-political movements? Are you suggesting a left populism (of, e.g., Laclau et al,) in stating "The crucial thing now is not to

Re: The alt-right and the death of counterculture

2017-07-08 Thread Joseph Rabie
> Absent of an orthodox Marxist determinism or an anarchist appeal to pure > chaotic spontaneity Except for its detractors, and pollution by right wing libertarianism, anarchy was never about chaotic spontaneity. It was (and is) about self organisation, autonomy, mutual aid and solidarity. It i

bete noire

2017-07-08 Thread János Sugár
The government billboards began appearing all over the capital and beyond just days after Orbán accused Hungarian-born financier and philanthropist George Soros of building a _Brussels kingdom_. He also suggested that Soros is directly involved in the European Commissions ongoing infringement

Re: The alt-right and the death of counterculture

2017-07-08 Thread Ian Alan Paul
Thank you Brian for this post, and Lincoln for the elaboration and highlighting of some of the central problems Brian posed for us. I want to respond to this in two ways, first by calling into the question the novelty of the present to some degree, and second by trying to map the dynamics / ruptur

Re: The alt-right and the death of counterculture

2017-07-08 Thread lincoln dahlberg
Thank you Brian, your post is as challenging as the article, and your personal intellectual-political struggles resonate. But it left me wanting to ask you to fill in a little more the abstract paths forward that you suggest and questions that you pose, as I italicize in the quotes cut from your

Re: The alt-right and the death of counterculture

2017-07-08 Thread Jonathan Marshall
>As Nagle writes: ‘When we’ve > reached a point where the idea of being edgy/counter-cultural/transgressive > can place fascists in a position of moral superiority to regular people, we > may seriously want to rethink the value of these stale and outworn > countercultural ideals.’ Sorry Fascists

Re: The alt-right and the death of counterculture

2017-07-08 Thread Brian Holmes
This is one of the more challenging pieces I've read on nettime. It must speak to many people's experience - certainly it does to mine. I wonder if anyone else might like to repond to this one? The alt-right has latched onto the transgressive and paranoid libertarian style of culture jammers a