Re: [Fwd] A Spit in the Ocean (or the limits of social network paranoia)

2012-02-18 Thread august
Heya John, Thanks for the thoughtful response. I comment inline below: > I think one of the reasons that the focus on directly 'opposing' a > large dominant techno-social infrastructure deployment with a small > techno-social infrastructure deployment is problematic lies in its > basic incompl

Re: [Fwd] A Spit in the Ocean (or the limits of social network paranoia)

2012-02-18 Thread august
Morlock Elloi wrote: > It's not the economic pressure as much as it's the Clumping Effect: > there appears to be a biological predisposition for humans to clump in > larger ... clumps. > > Setting up a separate home mail server, with its own domain, > practically unsubpoenable and unspiderable

Re: [Fwd] A Spit in the Ocean (or the limits of social network paranoia)

2012-02-17 Thread John Hopkins
So, what's the real alternative if any? The alternative, I think, is perhaps too difficult to even imagine. The technical problems of building an open, stable, and user-run communication Hei August! I think one of the reasons that the focus on directly 'opposing' a large dominant techno-soci

Re: [Fwd] A Spit in the Ocean (or the limits of social network paranoia)

2012-02-17 Thread Morlock Elloi
It's not the economic pressure as much as it's the Clumping Effect: there appears to be a biological predisposition for humans to clump in larger ... clumps. Setting up a separate home mail server, with its own domain, practically unsubpoenable and unspiderable, or home node of a distributed 'soc

Re: [Fwd] A Spit in the Ocean (or the limits of social network paranoia)

2012-02-16 Thread august
> Ultimately liberism has won the masses to socialism by constructing > the dream (American) and means (Capitalism) for an open society purely > based on quantitative, axiomatic relationships. Capitalism has been so > far a viable system of governance because has been able to embed this > dicotomy

[Fwd] A Spit in the Ocean (or the limits of social network paranoia)

2012-02-14 Thread Jaromil
dear Tjebbe, as young squatters in Amsterdam in recent times both me and hellekin did benefit from your early practices of phone alarm lists. Considering your presence in this discussion now I feel that the grounds for this dialogue are extremely interesting and fertile. It certainly won't hurt

[Fwd] A Spit in the Ocean (or the limits of social network paranoia)

2012-02-14 Thread Tjebbe van Tijen
Last sentence of a message on which I am reacting just to get the gist of it: >> I won't participate anymore in so-called social media that don't >> proceed from actual communities nor nourish them. Facebook and >> Google+ nourish like baby milk: with poison inside. Stop smoking >> before cancer