Re: [spectre] the EU's first rogue state

2017-08-14 Thread mp
Indeed, nuclear war is a permanent feature affecting the entire planet: it's called testing (when it's the military; visualised here, commencing somewhat calmly, but then picks up pace): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLCF7vPanrY ) and chemo therapy (when it's pharma). On 14/08/17 11:19, Keith

Re: [spectre] the EU's first rogue state

2017-08-14 Thread Keith Sanborn
Rupture or rapture: limited nuclear war is an oxymoron, no matter who believes it to be meaningful. > On Aug 14, 2017, at 7:29 AM, Morlock Elloi wrote: > > Urban populations ... no one will waste nukes on peasants. Peasants and the > ruling class will survive. > > Do

Re: [spectre] the EU's first rogue state

2017-08-13 Thread Morlock Elloi
Urban populations ... no one will waste nukes on peasants. Peasants and the ruling class will survive. Do a search on "luxury shelters" or "doomsday bunkers" - from $1MM to $40MM a pop. It doesn't matter if they will work or not - what matters is that the buyers believe they will, and these

Re: [spectre] the EU's first rogue state

2017-08-13 Thread Thomas Keenan
"A limited nuclear war" ... limited to whom? On Aug 13, 2017 5:21 PM, "Morlock Elloi" wrote: The most likely way is a limited nuclear war where most of nuclear weapons facilities are taken out and global population halved, but that's rather unappealing. # distributed

Re: [spectre] the EU's first rogue state

2017-08-13 Thread Morlock Elloi
The imperial power transition was never smooth (so far), usually it takes few centuries of dark ages. Even if everything these days is accelerated 10X, we're still looking at several decades of deep s*it. The interesting speculation would be: what is the best way for the American Empire to

Re: [spectre] the EU's first rogue state

2017-08-13 Thread John Hopkins
On 10/Aug/17 06:32, heath bunting wrote: i support any nation state that attempts to dis-engage from use empire eg hungary, as the empire is the greatest law breaker and threat to global peace But, really, Heath, does the altogether expected and ongoing collapse of the Amurikan Empire signal

Re: [spectre] the EU's first rogue state

2017-08-13 Thread heath bunting
when falling, the safest place to be is on the ground as soon as possible a non resistant state of mind will limit the amount of broken bones, but there will be some injuries the eu is already broken in reality ie not a union anymore eg greece, so there is no chance to remain brexit was a

Re: [spectre] the EU's first rogue state

2017-08-10 Thread Patrice Riemens
David, I think you are entirely right, but I think these are two separate issues: Brexitmadegon in the UK and the total dysfunctioning of EUrope. Brexit indeed offered an opportunity for hard re-thinking in Bruksel, and it has indeed been missed, we're back at business as usual which means

Re: [spectre] the EU's first rogue state

2017-08-10 Thread David Garcia
So Patrice… shouldn't the anti-democratic neo-liberal structures of the EU, that actually forbid radical socialist restructuring and are able to enforce these strictures by means of what Varoufakis called “fiscal waterboarding” give us some pause for thought? This leftist scepticism on the

Re: [spectre] the EU's first rogue state

2017-08-10 Thread Patrice Riemens
That's a point of view. But unfortunately Hungary doesn't provide as much comic relief as the Disunited Kingdom, it's totally deflated PM, it's rightwingers going at each other's throats, and the whole country generally slowly descending in the social and economic meltdown that the unavoidable

Re: [spectre] the EU's first rogue state

2017-08-09 Thread heath bunting
nothing compared to uk On Wed, 2 Aug 2017, János Sugár wrote: >Is Hungary the EU's first rogue state? > >http://www.newstatesman.com/world/europe/2017/08/hungary-eus-first-rogue-state-viktor-orban-and-long-march-freedom >__ >SPECTRE list for media