Re: DiEM25 Green Paper on Technological Sovereignty

2020-01-27 Thread Morlock Elloi
To quote myself from the ideology & the infrastructure paper ( https://cryptome.org/2019/02/elbar.pdf ): "The ideology of the infrastructure goes deep and is often invisible to the involved actors. The participants generally believe that they are doing the best possible job. What is specific

Re: DiEM25 Green Paper on Technological Sovereignty

2020-01-26 Thread xDxD.vs.xDxD
Hello everyone the main limit with all of this (including GDPR and all current institutional actions) is that the extractive and exploitative nature of the data and computation industry are not questioned at all. <> This is a real issue. This equivalence is being promoted so much that it is

Re: DiEM25 Green Paper on Technological Sovereignty

2020-01-26 Thread John Hopkins
Aside from the deep irony of using the term 'Gaia', and 'ecosystem' in any relation to the CO2-generating/privacy-devouring Cloud, seems to be more of the same geopolitical wrangling for territories of control ... On 24/Jan/20 12:19, Luke Munn wrote: In terms of alternatives, there is the

Re: DiEM25 Green Paper on Technological Sovereignty

2020-01-26 Thread Luke Munn
Hence the quotes - I suppose I could have added "ostensibly" in there. Of course data infrastructures and the wider technological industry are highly political in constructing imaginaries, appropriating funding as you noted, aligning with public and private interests, shaping the flows of data,

Re: DiEM25 Green Paper on Technological Sovereignty

2020-01-26 Thread Adam Burns
Data Center and Service providers are attempting to lobby further for large amounts of investment planned in Gaia-X, see slick pamphlet here: https://www.bmwi.de/Redaktion/EN/Publikationen/Digitale-Welt/project-gaia-x.pdf?__blob=publicationFile=4 They are appropriating the language and growing

Re: DiEM25 Green Paper on Technological Sovereignty

2020-01-25 Thread Ariston Theotocopulos
On Fri, 24 Jan 2020, 17:33 Geert Lovink, wrote: > What do you think? I am curious. The fact that this is a PDF that can't practically be read on my phone tells me everything I need to know about this organisation - the only people whose opinions matter spend their lives sat behind a desk.

Re: DiEM25 Green Paper on Technological Sovereignty

2020-01-25 Thread Luke Munn
In terms of alternatives, there is the Gaia-X initiative, "the new European data infrastructure project that aims to grow a sovereign and self-determined digital ecosystem in Europe."

DiEM25 Green Paper on Technological Sovereignty

2020-01-24 Thread Geert Lovink
Dear nettimers, I read this policy paper of the DiEM25 movement and really liked it. It’s good to see that there is progress in bringing together different fields that have been dealt with in different scenes for a long time. The text mentions the building of a digital commonwealth. “We want