On Fri, Feb 02, 2018 at 07:32:33AM -0600, Blake Stimson wrote:
> more and more varied cultural consumption than other generations and less
> access to power than other generations. Like any such generational marker,
> its realism for them is a badge of honor and a measure of strength and
> accompli
On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 2:27 AM, Brian Holmes
wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 10:18 PM, Blake Stimson
wrote:
>
>> My premise is that the question "how do we govern ourselves? ... with
which
>> institutions, under which rules, backed by which constraints?" that
Brian
>> raises can never be
But didn't the tech-savvy non-right (I can't bring myself to use idiotic
terms as "left", "progressives", "liberals", "democrats") make a bet
that slicing the society into micro-groups ("left-handed transsexuals"
etc.) and managing these gullible groups with the high-tech networked
systems, is
Dear Brian and Felix,
Thank you for your thoughtful responses. I know Brian is ready to wind up
this discussion but allow me to conclude my part with just one final
thought. I take us to agree on every point except one: that we need new
models for politics. It is a fully understandable desire to i
On 02/17/2018 07:44 AM, Blake Stimson wrote:
I do not put much stock in the Bourdieuian category of “cultural
capital” and instead do indeed believe that power lies solely in the
possession of money or the capacity for violence. Politics, as I use the
term, is simply the state.
Put more
On 2018-02-17 14:44, Blake Stimson wrote:
> In our waning liberal modernity, good art, like good politics, is that
> realism which enhances our capacity to think our own individual being
> institutionally or, in other words, to see like a
> (democratic-cum-socialist) state.
"To think our own in
Thank you for the generous response and ongoing dialogue Brian. As perhaps
Yvette suggests, there is a lot there. Let me take a stab at answering your
queries but if it seems too much in the weeds for the list maybe we could
also get together in Chicago sometime to discuss whatever details further.
Dear Blake (and everyone else) -
Greetings. If I may, let me take up this interesting discussion again, with
excuses for the lengthy pause. By the way, anyone can intervene in this
discussion, surely these issues are of concern to some.
Though it sounds depressing on the face of it, it's actually
Aloha,
On Fri, Feb 02, 2018 at 07:32:33AM -0600, Blake Stimson wrote:
>
>
> The core question of a democratic society is not "how do I become free?"
> > Rather it is "how do we govern ourselves?" Crucially that means: with which
> > institutions, under which rules, backed by which constraints [a
Thanks for the generous response Brian, and very glad that we now agree
that we agree on the parts listed. Let me try to attend to the part still
in dispute. In the end I think we do largely agree even about this---that
is, we are both focused on what you call “binding norms”---and only differ
in
Hello Blake -
I think you've made a nettime first by listing the points where we agree!
That's much appreciated. The list will likely stop right where it is, but
still, I'd like to expand my take on this point of disagreement:
Where we differ Brian, if I understand you correctly, is in where agen
On 30/01/18 10:34, Dmytri Kleiner wrote:
>
> On 2018-01-29 22:40, Brian Holmes wrote:
>
>> The urgent question today is how to
>> create collective forms of democratic government for complex societies
>> captivated by the myth of the sovereign individual.
>
> Read C.B. Macpherson?
For those i
On 2018-01-29 22:40, Brian Holmes wrote:
> The urgent question today is how to
> create collective forms of democratic government for complex societies
> captivated by the myth of the sovereign individual.
Read C.B. Macpherson?
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My first thought after reading the report was: How could I troll the system?
Well, by spreading love, obviously. Just like a friend of mine created fake
facebook-accounts to create love-posts, one could make lovely posts and report
them. I know, this is not very useful, it doesnât help with th
On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 10:18 PM, Blake Stimson
wrote:
My premise is that the question "how do we govern ourselves? ... with
> which institutions, under which rules, backed by which constraints?" that
> Brian raises can never be asked from the outsider standpoint of
> institutional critique but
On Sat, Jan 27, 2018 at 4:24 PM, Florian Cramer wrote:
None of the issues described in this write-up can be blamed on the
> corporate ownership of the currently popular social media. If people used
> Open Source, community-owned and community-run social media instead (like,
> for example, Mastodo
A simple matter of an algorithm. I almost said automation
> On Jan 28, 2018, at 1:49 PM, Morlock Elloi wrote:
>
> The Ludovico Technique has certainly been improved.
>
> I wonder if the handset operators have already started to time and serve
> political/ideological content in sync with posit
The Ludovico Technique has certainly been improved.
I wonder if the handset operators have already started to time and serve
political/ideological content in sync with positive (or negative) social
messaging: you receive a message from child/lover - and at the same time
link to the article pra
Reading the report—shd I call it that?—I kept thinking of Bataille: the impact
of facing up to, or facing down images of extreme violence, sexuality, or
sexual violence. Bataille’s contemplation of the image of the 100 cuts
(so-called). But without the space or time for contemplation and the cre
Agree. It's about machine-mediated 'socializing', not about who runs it.
As I mentioned earlier, open sourcing/democratizing the dystopia is not
solving anything - it might even make it worse.
On 1/27/18, 14:24, Florian Cramer wrote:
Thanks for sharing this. None of the issues described in t
Thanks for sharing this. None of the issues described in this write-up can
be blamed on the corporate ownership of the currently popular social media.
If people used Open Source, community-owned and community-run social media
instead (like, for example, Mastodon or diaspora), there would be the sam
TL;DR: Fb extracts ethical decisions from its digital precariat
humanness deposits at the rate of one decision every 22 seconds (that's
0.045 decisions/sec.)
(from
https://sz-magazin.sueddeutsche.de/texte/anzeigen/46820/Three-months-in-hell
)
Germany has become one of Facebook's most impo
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