Re: Return to feudalism

2017-09-21 Thread Morlock Elloi
Very true. I recently witnessed something, and will try to explain in as non-technical terms as possible: the event was around distributed applications and in particular the presentation was about micropayments. The audience of 30-40 was rather tech-savvy - developers, entrepreneurs and

Re: Return to feudalism

2017-09-19 Thread Frederic Janssens
On 19 September 2017 at 01:39, mp wrote: > > > “Property, Commoning and the Politics of Free Software” (PhD, 2010) > > It was published here: > > http://www.commoner.org.uk/?p=107 > > And here: > > https://commoning.wordpress.com/essay/ > > Thank. I'm reading it. Will comment

Re: Return to feudalism

2017-09-19 Thread Brian Holmes
On 09/19/2017 01:05 PM, franz schaefer wrote: so if labour is no longer a relevant measure of value - as it is no longer needed, then indeed the only thing that is relevant for the value is the soil. marx most of the time neglects this as soil, back his days was abundant. the value of things

Re: Return to feudalism

2017-09-19 Thread franz schaefer
version the ones that got rich via their control of technology will use their wealth to buy all the soil and thus cementing their power. so i think "return to feudalism" describes this well... mond -- ~~ .

Re: Return to feudalism

2017-09-18 Thread Morlock Elloi
As Karl M. analyzed relationships of labor, reproduction and capital in the era when there was pervasive need for human labor, we need new analysis for the era when no one needs any human labor (5-6% of population needing to work is practically "no one"). What is the value of the attention

Re: Return to feudalism

2017-09-18 Thread John Hopkins
Whomever, whatever controls the protocols, controls the device and reaps the rewards that the device brings. This is because the protocol is a proxy for the actualized projection of energy or the pathway that energy is mandated to follow. A protocol determines the characteristics of the energy

Re: Return to feudalism

2017-09-18 Thread mp
On 19/09/17 00:18, Frederic Janssens wrote: > On 18 September 2017 at 22:28, mp wrote: > >> >> >> and from the thesis where these quotes feature: >> >> Interesting. Has this thesis a name, an author, and is it available ? “Property, Commoning and the Politics of Free Software”

Re: Return to feudalism

2017-09-18 Thread Frederic Janssens
On 18 September 2017 at 22:28, mp wrote: > > > and from the thesis where these quotes feature: > > Interesting. Has this thesis a name, an author, and is it available ? -- Frederic # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for

Re: Return to feudalism

2017-09-18 Thread mp
On 18/09/17 00:58, Morlock Elloi wrote: > Using the concept of property is legitimate and effective action. It > exists, is enforced, works, and however biased it may be, or however > odious one may think it is (alternative being ... ?), it is far too > ingrained into the society to be 100%

Re: Return to feudalism

2017-09-18 Thread Örsan Şenalp
When the OWS' twitter account and website got hijacked by certain Justine Tunney and co., it was rare. Those days when Tunney got hired by Google and started to promote her boss and the working conditions at Google campus -like free lunch- it was pretty awkward. Then she went on promoting

Re: Return to feudalism

2017-09-17 Thread Morlock Elloi
Central Services get you, sooner or later. I think that the chasm between the think/talk-space ("private property bad", "things very bad, should be better", "rapture must be coming", "tweet/go to conferences and publish/like", etc.) and the act-space ("stone the Google bus", "leak secrets

Re: Return to feudalism

2017-09-17 Thread analoguehorizon
raded in as soon as possible. >> >> How long will it be before we realize they’re trying to apply the same >> rules to our smart homes, smart televisions in our living rooms and >> bedrooms, smart toilets and internet-enabled cars? >> >> A return to feudalism? >>

Return to feudalism

2017-09-17 Thread Morlock Elloi
in our living rooms and bedrooms, smart toilets and internet-enabled cars? A return to feudalism? The issue of who gets to control property has a long history. In the feudal system of medieval Europe, the king owned almost everything, and everyone else’s property rights depended