Re: The 'Jake' Appelbaum case, or the rise and fall of

The point is that it does take place, and that it places severe constraints on the organization that suffers from it. Whether the celeb-status is sought as a reward or loathed does not make any difference. Celeb-status creates a vulnerable focus point for the organization. In today's

Re: The 'Jake' Appelbaum case, or the rise and fall of

Am 10.06.16 um 18:30 schrieb Frank Rieger: I do see a large difference between the US and the European scene though. The "celebrity" problem you diagnosed is most prevalent in the US. The idea of "rockstar" hackers, programmers etc. has never taken so much hold in Europe or Germany. Am

Re: The 'Jake' Appelbaum case, or the rise and fall of

Dear Frank, thank you for speaking out. I choose to consider your words both as a personal opinion, and as of a representative of CCC as a whole, althou I know that there is no such thing as a "collective opinion", specially within such an anti-authoritatian (& "chaotic" by design)

Re: The 'Jake' Appelbaum case, or the rise and fall of celebrities

On 10 Jun 2016, at 13:07, Patrice Riemens wrote: > It has a lot to do with numbers. These, surprisingly, looked to be in > our favor. Gatherings were ever bigger, the amount of people and > resources mobilized were ever larger. It was probably a delusion. Just > as the numbers

Re: The 'Jake' Appelbaum case, or the rise and fall of celebrities

__ ' *** It has a lot to do with numbers. These, surprisingly, looked to be in our favor. Gatherings were ever bigger, the amount of people and resources mobilized were ever larger. It was probably a delusion. Just

The 'Jake' Appelbaum case, or the rise and fall of celebrities

The social, and political 'sad demise' (the Hinglish word for death) of Jacob 'Jake' Appelbaum is for me symptomatic, and symbolic, for an epoch definitively coming to its close. To me at least, it resonates with the words of Rieger and Gonggrijp, years ago at a CCC conference: "we lost the