Re: The System Development Corporation

2018-03-14 Thread Morlock Elloi
It was uninformed :) but I definitely think that the infrastructure is the message. I don't doubt that a whole universe of ideas and battles can exist on the top of any given 'infrastructure'. The hard question (or even hard problem) is what matters? Where is the line drawn between the abstr

Re: The System Development Corporation

2018-03-14 Thread mp
On 13/03/18 23:26, Morlock Elloi wrote: >> What do you mean by "confronting on an infrastructure level" and >> "liberating the infrastructure"? Sure, one thing is to understand the > > 1. Requiring equal access to switches and fiber. Like cities (most so > far) cannot have private streets, and l

Re: The System Development Corporation

2018-03-14 Thread David Garcia
I imagine that Morlock’s original pithy statement of comparing activism to "grafitti on tanks” was an informed re-mix of the old Mcluhan aphorism: "the content or message of any particular medium has about as much importance as the stencilling on the casing of an atomic bomb” The origin might

Re: The System Development Corporation

2018-03-13 Thread Morlock Elloi
> What do you mean by "confronting on an infrastructure level" and > "liberating the infrastructure"? Sure, one thing is to understand the 1. Requiring equal access to switches and fiber. Like cities (most so far) cannot have private streets, and like Ma Bell was forced to provide phone service

Re: The System Development Corporation

2018-03-13 Thread Felix Stalder
On 2018-03-12 18:27, Morlock Elloi wrote: > The old-fashioned way, by confronting at the infrastructure level, away > from keyboards. Messaging through the adversarial infrastructure is like > drawing graffiti on the enemy tanks - cute but doesn't do s*it. > > This is not something that will be

Re: The System Development Corporation

2018-03-13 Thread Frederic Janssens
I mostly agree, apart from the antiquity of speech. The more we go, the older it gets. See for instance : https://cosmosmagazine.com/palaeontology/bones-of-stone- age-boy-challenge-single-origin-theory-of-modern-humans "Bones of Stone Age boy challenge single-origin theory of modern humans. DNA

Re: The System Development Corporation

2018-03-13 Thread Frederic Janssens
I mostly agree, apart from antiquity of speech. The more we go, the older it gets. See for instance : https://cosmosmagazine.com/palaeontology/bones-of-stone-age-boy-challenge-single-origin-theory-of-modern-humans "Bones of Stone Age boy challenge single-origin theory of modern humans. DNA analys

Re: The System Development Corporation

2018-03-13 Thread Morlock Elloi
These distinctions (humans, animals, machines) are artificial and not helpful (also a slippery slope - the end game in that direction is racism/identity politics.) Speech is most likely a mutation only 50,000 years old (we didn't get quite used to it yet.) The difference between the speech tec

Re: The System Development Corporation

2018-03-13 Thread mp
On 12/03/18 22:50, Morlock Elloi wrote: > Using acoustic waves through the air as the carrier is definitely > confronting at the infrastructure level :) > >> And then something really radical: talk to your neighbour, come out of Oh, so you give into the idea of human resources? :) Well, I beg

Re: The System Development Corporation

2018-03-12 Thread Morlock Elloi
Using acoustic waves through the air as the carrier is definitely confronting at the infrastructure level :) And then something really radical: talk to your neighbour, come out of # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, #

Re: The System Development Corporation

2018-03-12 Thread mp
On 12/03/18 17:27, Morlock Elloi wrote: > The old-fashioned way, by confronting at the infrastructure level, away > from keyboards. Messaging through the adversarial infrastructure is like > drawing graffiti on the enemy tanks - cute but doesn't do s*it. Confrontation is good for the system, cri

Re: The System Development Corporation

2018-03-12 Thread Morlock Elloi
The old-fashioned way, by confronting at the infrastructure level, away from keyboards. Messaging through the adversarial infrastructure is like drawing graffiti on the enemy tanks - cute but doesn't do s*it. This is not something that will be achieved overnight. What is missing is the awarene

Slide-Rule Studies Department (was Re: The System Development Corporation)

2018-03-11 Thread Morlock Elloi
More history. The article below explores history of the successful propping up of a tool to level of science. I think that this is a major 'elephant in the room' phenomenon that has permeated everything. Including nettime, of course - I'm referring to philosophical discourses on primitive and

Re: The System Development Corporation

2018-03-11 Thread Dennis de Bel
> > > > The idea of countering these infrastructures by ad-hock activism, > hacking and similar is laughable. I'm starting to think that the whole > concept of 'hacking' is injected subversion. How to oppose a system where opposition is taken in account? > What system isnt designed that way?

The System Development Corporation

2018-03-10 Thread Morlock Elloi
There is a fantastic piece of history of the dystopia we live in at https://archive.org/details/6240_System_Technology_01_29_28_19 It's a promo film by System Development Corporation, predicting pretty much everything, up to and including simulating societies and taking corrective measures.