On 06/13/2013 06:15 AM, Brian Holmes wrote:
I prefer to find this recent news a light in dark times.
At the moment, i think in the West (core and periphery) we can
distinguish between three struggles in advanced stages.
One is against authoritarian regimes that force a closed set of values
on
Felix:
One is against authoritarian regimes . . .
Another one is against the subversion
of the democratic processes . . . And,
one is against the increasing subversion
of civil liberties . . .
Fascinating how you frame all this. Authoritarian! Democratic!
Liberty! Subversion!
There are dark days, these days. We have the privilege of observing
different levels of repression working at the same time, ranging from
blanket surveillance of every electronic communication, to sending
out riot police to expel civil society and its mainly symbolic
forms of resistance from
The darker the day gets, the closer the dust is.. the window for
meaningful change is not closing in my opinion. The opposite, it is
widening. Many networks getting in touch with each other directly,
more than ever. Where ever an uprising we get this gets extended:
Greeks with Turks, Kurds and
...
It seems like the window for meaningful chance that the crisis opened
is closing. And it might be closed for a while.
Not sure, Felix. It might very well be the swan song (a very agitated one,
I admit) of the old order also. GeziPark, PRISM, ERT shutdown come all as
a shock. Shock
Hi, Felix,
why so negative? Of coure everything that you say in the first paragraph
is true, but that can also be interpreted differently. Yes, it seems our
governments are showing more and more their real faces, yes, there is a
bourgeois authoritarianism, a term you yourself have used, and
Hi all,
I definitely stays for the complex dialectic between oppression and
liberation forces and also demanding another temporality of change - looks
like that we could be in a very beginning of total class recomposition with
unpredictable results but what really bother me and put my mindset
A US federal judge advised in conference we disputants:
Truth does not emerge by genial discussion but by hammer
blows. Perhaps judges are compelled to tweet like that.
But the same could be said about change in power relations,
that does not happen through acceptable behavior.
Joyous and
Felix:
There are dark days, these days.
We, the humans, are in serious trouble.
What we are up against isn't HUMAN at all; it's a system and that means
MACHINES.
The Google slogan is Don't BE Evil. That is a statement made by the
machines about themselves.
As anyone with a
I don't know why what Daniel Ellsberg described as the most significant
leak ever should lead you to despair. European governments are challenging
the Obama administration, the response within the US will be heavier. The
campaign to loosen the grip of the Silicon Valley internet monpolists is
more inclined to think that the surveillance state has just obsoleted the
economy as a policing mechanism. not a bad thing. (it allows the imf for
example to declare its own irrelevance.) and unlike the economy, the state
really doesnt care what you think. or say. the state only cares about the
I agree with Dimitry below. It should be noticed that existing
communication circuits and forms of social cooperation have all been
built over the last twenty years. On the one hand, social media was at
least partially prefigured by Indymedia and similar iniatives fifteen
years ago, the huge
You mean vigorous typing on the keyboard and determined tweeting aint't it?
It seems that interactions with corporate disks (which is what 99% of
social computer usage today is) are modern variants of praying.
Surveillance networks are just priests in the confessionals.
Does a prayer work?
On Wednesday, June 12, 2013, Keith Hart wrote:
European governments are challenging the Obama administration,
If this is your bulwark against the dark days, I'd consider embracing
despair. The European states might talk a good game--like they did before
the second Iraq war--but both the demands
On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 09:28:52AM -0700, Morlock Elloi wrote:
You mean vigorous typing on the keyboard and determined tweeting aint't
it?
It seems that interactions with corporate disks (which is what 99% of
social computer usage today is) are modern variants of praying.
Surveillance
On 12/06/13 09:38, Patrice Riemens wrote:
GeziPark, PRISM, ERT shutdown come all as a shock.
Some of the saddest specialist responses to PRISM that I've read argue
that it isn't a shock and that clever people knew this sort of thing was
going on anyway.
# distributed via nettime: no
We are in the age of the Anthropocene now, everything has changed, the
future is not what it used to be.
yours JJ
On 12 Jun 2013, at 17:40, Brian Holmes wrote:
I agree with Dimitry below. It should be noticed that existing
communication circuits and forms of social cooperation have all been
Why is that so sad, not about cleverness, surely it is just that some
people have been realistic from early on. Since the 90s I've certainly
assumed Microsoft was in the collaboration and spying business and so
did various European governments, I seem to remember a lot of discussion
about
I agree that' the specialist responses are the saddest. Not just clever
people, but anyone who paid attention since TIA in 2002 knew this was
going on. All the people who are trying to be more cynical than thou are
lame. There is a huge difference between intellectuals knowing what the
state
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