Re: Network Manager Wifi thoughts

2008-04-10 Thread Ryan Novosielski
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 There are definitely those that DO fake replies. Mine is bad enough to accept SSH logins, which is a real problem since it allows you hand over the password to one of your machines if you aren't careful. =R Fanen Ahua wrote: > I suppose the root dns

Re: Network Manager Wifi thoughts

2008-04-09 Thread Fanen Ahua
I suppose the root dns servers retain static IPs? is it not possible to compare something to a hardcoded IP of a root dns server? Secondly, the captive portals I've come across (Microtik) don't really "fake" ping replies, I think they return valid errors (One says "destination network forbidden").

Re: Network Manager Wifi thoughts

2008-04-07 Thread Darren Albers
On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 5:02 PM, Ryan Novosielski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The big question I have is "What does Vista do?" Vista has a feature > > where it _does_ show a little globe over the device icon in the system > > tray when it has determined that you are connected to the Internet,

Re: Network Manager Wifi thoughts

2008-04-07 Thread Ryan Novosielski
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dan Williams wrote: > On Fri, 2008-04-04 at 11:52 -0400, Martin Owens wrote: >>> This would be problematic at best, how would NM know the difference? >>> The Captive portals work by intercepting all the traffic and in theory >>> work transparently.

Re: Network Manager Wifi thoughts

2008-04-05 Thread Martin Forsgren
What about using STUN servers? They are already up for messageingservices. And let a program handle it, put the information up on dbus and let networkmanager see if it exists. Sounds simple but I could be wrong. /Martin Den 2008-04-04 22:25:07 skrev Martin Owens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I ad

Re: Network Manager Wifi thoughts

2008-04-04 Thread Martin Owens
I address each of these issues with short reference quotes rather than quoting the entire previous emails. > 1) Captive portals ... > 2) pinging google/root-dns/whatever ... > 3) page-scraping google/yahoo/whatever ... > 4) ARP-ing a known MAC ... > 5) Proxies: pretty much explanatory ... The iss

Re: Network Manager Wifi thoughts

2008-04-04 Thread Dan Williams
On Fri, 2008-04-04 at 15:35 -0400, Dan Williams wrote: > On Fri, 2008-04-04 at 11:52 -0400, Martin Owens wrote: > > > This would be problematic at best, how would NM know the difference? > > > The Captive portals work by intercepting all the traffic and in theory > > > work transparently. I am

Re: Network Manager Wifi thoughts

2008-04-04 Thread Dan Williams
On Fri, 2008-04-04 at 11:52 -0400, Martin Owens wrote: > > This would be problematic at best, how would NM know the difference? > > The Captive portals work by intercepting all the traffic and in theory > > work transparently. I am actually setting up one using the Captive > > Portal on Aruba

Re: Network Manager Wifi thoughts

2008-04-04 Thread Martin Owens
> This would be problematic at best, how would NM know the difference? > The Captive portals work by intercepting all the traffic and in theory > work transparently. I am actually setting up one using the Captive > Portal on Aruba and also testing one Consentry switch right now and I > could

Re: Network Manager Wifi thoughts

2008-04-04 Thread Darren Albers
On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 2:01 AM, Martin Owens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I tried doing a search in the archives to see if these problems/ideas > had been talked about in this mailing list before. I failed to find > anything (maybe I used the wrong terms) > > Anyway, I have 2 t

Re: Network Manager Wifi thoughts

2008-04-04 Thread Darren Albers
On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 8:10 AM, Matt Burkhardt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Forgive me if this has already made the rounds > > I love NM - it's amazing how it works. My only issue is when someone in my > vicinity turns on their wireless network called "linksys". Mine is called > "matthewb

Re: Network Manager Wifi thoughts

2008-04-04 Thread Matt Burkhardt
Forgive me if this has already made the rounds I love NM - it's amazing how it works. My only issue is when someone in my vicinity turns on their wireless network called "linksys". Mine is called "matthewboh" if that makes a difference. Anyway, I have used a network called "linksys" before

RE: Network Manager Wifi thoughts

2008-04-04 Thread PEDRO MACANAS VALVERDE
De: Fanen A. Enviado el: vie 04/04/2008 0:56 Para: Martin Owens CC: networkmanager <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Asunto: Re: Network Manager Wifi thoughts >I think that this kind of indication about the reachability of the wider "internet" is quite useful. I agree also to

Re: Network Manager Wifi thoughts

2008-04-03 Thread Stuart D. Gathman
On Thu, 3 Apr 2008, Stuart D. Gathman wrote: > On Thu, 3 Apr 2008, Fanen A. wrote: > >>> If we're talking methods then it could check that the dns ip addresses >>> it's been given are valid, or it could check a number of things. http >>> site availability is just one of them. > > How about a query

Re: Network Manager Wifi thoughts

2008-04-03 Thread Stuart D. Gathman
On Thu, 3 Apr 2008, Fanen A. wrote: >> If we're talking methods then it could check that the dns ip addresses >> it's been given are valid, or it could check a number of things. http >> site availability is just one of them. How about a query to a root DNS server? If you can reach DNS, you are

Re: Network Manager Wifi thoughts

2008-04-03 Thread Fanen A.
I think that this kind of indication about the reachability of the wider "internet" is quite useful. It's one thing to be connected to a network, which is what you want quite often, but I also think it is even more likely that you want to be connected to the internet via a particular network or acc

Re: Network Manager Wifi thoughts

2008-04-02 Thread Martin Owens
Thanks for your reply, > - The status of my network connection has nothing to do with whether the > network I'm connected to can access google.com (or any other arbitrary > domain). Networks without internet connectivity are as valid a use case > an any other. In parlance I agree, it's techni

Re: Network Manager Wifi thoughts

2008-04-02 Thread Simon Geard
On Wed, 2008-04-02 at 02:01 -0400, Martin Owens wrote: > Thought 2 is the problematic difference between being connected to the > wifi network (or ethernet network) and actually being online. I got > court out today because the Tend City wifi public network required > that you agree to the terms an

Network Manager Wifi thoughts

2008-04-01 Thread Martin Owens
Hi everyone, I tried doing a search in the archives to see if these problems/ideas had been talked about in this mailing list before. I failed to find anything (maybe I used the wrong terms) Anyway, I have 2 things to talk about. The first is the auto connect to wifi networks; I've had the networ