On Wednesday 13 March 2002 20:25, Nelson Bartley wrote: [snippets]
> I currently do both PHP and ASP programming for various customers, as > well as myself. I use Frontpage for quite a few things. Yes it does > produce SOME bad code, however 2002 does produce acceptable code for the > basic layout. I do alot of rough work, and table planning and outlining > in frontpage, just because I find it handles it better then Dreamweaver. > Now, I'll admit that I don't polish these pages w/ Frontpage, that would > be silly as it honestly doesn't do a great job. But if I didn't want to > polish these pages they would be more then acceptable in either > Mozzilla, or IE. To be fair, a lot of the bloated, non-standard pages that litter the web are produced with Frontpage Express, rather than the full Frontpage, which I am told allows you to specify the HTML version you want. And the really sucky pages are often produced, not with HTML editors, but with MS Word. But I try not to blame the authors, many of whom are new to the web. When I started, I too used "Save as HTML" and didn't notice anything was wrong until I started getting emails about my unreadable pages. I was also pointed to a program called demoronizer which stripped MS "smartquotes" (an oxymoron). I didn't know what to do with it, so I mailed back and got the reply, "Just untar it and run it on the file, no arguments needed," or something like that. Like "Huh?" That was my introduction to UNIX, which got me into Linux. > Ohh... one last thing. For the person who said that really web designers > hand code HTML. That's fine. You code your complex table structure > manually. I personally will do it in a WYSIWYG editor myself... for me > it takes way less time. I asked a friend of mine who teaches web design what tools he had his students use. His answer was "pencil and paper". Ironically, WYSIWYG tools work fine in the hands of people who learnt their HTML the hard way. Sorry if this is way off topic, but I did mark it as such! BTW, I'm happy to see off-topic mails on this list (I'd be a hypocrite if I wasn't) but I'd appreciate it if people could put "OT" or something in the header. Then I can read those first ;-) And please change the subject header when the subject gets too far from the original post. Sometimes I miss really entertaining polemics because they still have a subject like "Re: SB AWE64 drivers". Robin
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