but John do you, or do you not, like Bagpipes? let's get down to brass 
tacks....

On Tuesday 30 July 2002 10:48 pm, you wrote:
> At 11:14 AM 31/07/02, you did spake with authority
>
> >John Rigby wrote:
> >
> >Linux is still a  ^%$#$%^&*&^^ of a product to install and setup in a
> >business-workable format.
> >----------------------------------
> >
> >John, I am tired of hearing you say this. I have no idea of what problems
> >you have (please don't bother telling me).
> >
> >I have a dual boot machine with Mandrake 8.2 and (sort of) Win 98.
> >Mandrake installed without a wrinkle and has remained stable. Win 98 was a
> >struggle to get video and modem (external) to work. Furthermore when that
> >decorated soldier - Gen Fault - salutes the reboot loses the video driver
> >and it is another fight to get it setup properly.
>
> I *KNOW* what that is - not a big problem under windoze.... any novice help
> list will show you how :_)
>
> Look, frankly who cares what *you* think?
>
> This was part of a serious offer to help a young fellow in a difficult
> circumstance and you whine about something nonsensical !
>
> All I can say is:
> READ  *THIS* LIST!
> The complaints by volume and extent here are ferocious, considering most
> people here fancy themselves as at least partial geeks - they LIKE playing
> with things.
> I can't even understand the questions! :-)
>
> There is no point in continually shooting at the messenger!
> LINUX *IS* a &^*%$$%&^  to set up.
> READ THIS VERY LIST - and it is only *one* of dozens.
>
> Even *you* are still running W98!!!
>
> As for not seeing both sides - I even once used an Apple!
>
> No, the big money in Linux is in finding the RARE, rare person who is a
> geek and can get it all to go - not in MONTHS but a day.
> I have never, ever met one myself, but I live in the sunshine............
> If I could have found one hirable person who could demonstrate that they
> could get Linux to run in a business situation easily - NOTE: real world
> business situation - I would have started a Computer business again this
> year - even here in paradise, there is a lot of easy(?) money to be made.
> The catch was, the only two competent people I eventually found were
> already self-employed and making a motza - often by throwing out MS$
> systems and setting up hybrids - O.S. Linux and decent (and familiar)
> programs running under Win4lin or whatsitsname.
>
> I have recently installed test runs of Linux distros that DO work, several
> times, but the problems with useful programs/utilities show it to be long
> way off everyday user  value to do it without expert assistance, yet.
>
> Again, people, I am not anti-anything except bigots and fanatics.
>
> I think Linux is the only hope of stopping Big Bill's juggernaut. Well,
> slowing it a little, anyway.  :-)
> But, the current hope is certainly not the Mandrake approach.
> I'm not even sure if anyone else will now be able to catch the
> Lindows  rabbit. Boy! Those people know how to market!
> Boy! They listened to what the market wants/needs!
> Did EXACTLY what I've been saying here and elsewhere for
> years..................
>
> Again, please stop shooting at the messenger - learn to look at things in
> an adult way. Don't be afraid of new/different information. THAT is how we
> all learn.
> Those that do advance, anyway.
>
> PEACE!
>
> John Rigby

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