...I can make a "template" file read-only to myself (to discourage accidental edits or deletions of the template), and then rename it without doing the rename as root! Is this normal? :-) I get EACCES or exceptions trying to actually modify it, of course, as should be... -- .*. "Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are not -() < circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a `*' straight line." ------------------------------------------------- -- B. Mandelbrot |http://surf.to/pgd.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] _____________________ ____|________ Paul Derbyshire Programmer & Humanist|ICQ: 10423848|