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[51] Pearson on Chadwick
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Posted Monday, December 10, 2001 by bar-knee:
"Luke Chadwick is far from ready."
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[50] More from United legends
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Posted Monday, December 10, 2001 by bar-knee:
Best: "But it will be a shame if Sir Alex had one of his worst seasons and then bowed
out."
Pearson: "If we don't win the Champions League we have to finish in the top four to
book a place for next season, but there's no way we'll finish in the top four with
performances like that. And that will cost the club a lot of money."
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[49] We still predict Becks will sign
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Posted Monday, December 10, 2001 by bar-knee:
Despite bluster from both sides and media manipulation, RN is still confident that our
sources have it right and Becks will sign the new deal in the coming months. His
earlier comments put the right sort of spin against today's Mirror back page which has
a headline of 'Beckham won't sign' and that Europe's best wait in the wings 'to take
advantage of the turmoil at Manchester United'.
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[48] Canvey Island wanted us
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Posted Monday, December 10, 2001 by bar-knee:
Canvey defender Peter Smith:
"Only facing United could be better. The only thing that could have made it any
better was if I played for Aston Villa — because I would be facing United now. But no
one can take this away from us. We have had a great day and will have another at
Burnley, whatever happens."
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[47] Sven quotes in full
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Posted Monday, December 10, 2001 by bar-knee:
"I have a very long contract with the FA and am very happy in it. I don't see any
reason why I should change my opinion. I would be lying if I said I didn't miss the
day-to-day involvement but that's the only thing I miss. I have never spoken to
Manchester United, I have never heard anything about it. I have never even thought
about going to Manchester United. I will be with England for ages."
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[46] Part of Fergie's speech last night
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Posted Monday, December 10, 2001 by bar-knee:
"To work with some of the greatest players in the world, you have no idea what
satisfaction that gives me. I want to thank all those players who have worked with me,
and it can't have been easy at times, but they all shared my ambition. We need to find
the answer to whatever has happened this season because we are certainly not enjoying
things. One fact is that we have won the championship very easily in the last two
seasons and have missed the dog-fight. Maybe we need to get that back."
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[45] Becks on Fergie
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Posted Monday, December 10, 2001 by bar-knee:
"We are all ambitious players at the club and there is only one person we all look up
to - and that's him."
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[44] Fergie won't like this
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Posted Monday, December 10, 2001 by bar-knee:
headline from MEN
'SIR Alex Ferguson gambled with Manchester United’s Premiership trophy against West
Ham ...and lost.'
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[43] Shotgun Gregory at it again
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Posted Monday, December 10, 2001 by bar-knee:
"We would rather be playing United than Canvey Island. It is the type of game we need
because we are at our best when we are up against it."
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[42] Joke of the day
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Posted Monday, December 10, 2001 by bar-knee:
A Leeds Fan, a Liverpool fan and a Man u fan were all in Saudi Arabia,
sharing a smuggled crate of booze. All of a sudden the Saudi police
rushed in and arrested them. The mere possession of alcohol is a severe offence in
Saudi Arabia, so for the terrible crime of actually being caught consuming the booze,
they were sentenced to death!
However, after many months and with the help of very good lawyers, they
were able to successfully appeal their sentence down to life
imprisonment. By a stroke of luck, it was a Saudi national holiday the day their trial
finished, and the extremely benevolent Sheikh decided they could be released after
receiving just 20 lashes each of the whip.
As they were preparing for their punishment, the Sheikh suddenly said:
"It's my first wife's birthday today, and she has asked me to allow each of you one
wish before your whipping."
The Leeds fan was first in line (he had drunk the least), so he thought
about this for a while and then said: "Please tie a pillow to my back."
This was done, but the pillow only lasted 10 lashes before the whip went through. The
Leeds fan had to be carried away bleeding and crying with pain when the punishment was
done. The scouser was next up and after watching the scene, said:" Please fix two
pillows on my back, under my dress" But even two pillows & 1 dress could only take 15
lashes before the whip went through again.
The Manc was the last one up (he had finished off the crate), but before he could say
anything, the Sheikh turned to him and said: "You are from a most beautiful part of
the world, your city has some of the best bars, nightclubs and restaurants in Europe,
your city and football team is known throughout the world. For this, you may have two
wishes!"
"Cheers mate, your Most Royal and Merciful Highness", The manc replies.
"In recognition of your kindness, my first wish is that you give me not
20, but 100 lashes."
"Not only are you an honourable, handsome and powerful man, you are also very brave."
The Sheik says with an admiring look on his face. "If 100 lashes is what you desire,
then so be it. And your second wish? What is it to be?" the Sheikh asks.
"Please tie the Scouser to my back."
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[41] Ted Beckham on David's award
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Posted Monday, December 10, 2001 by bar-knee:
"I'm definitely a proud man. It was a great night and great to see David get the
award. The amazing thing is that it was voted for by the public, and it just shows the
turn around from what was going on three years ago. It was fantastic to see him up
there."
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[40] It's sabotage on a Gunpowder plot level
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Posted Monday, December 10, 2001 by bar-knee:
The SUN hints that failure to reach the Champions League next year could see Becks and
Keane walk out - Veron off to Italy - and no doubt the tea lady storming out and
moving to city eh lads...
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[39] More Becks
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Posted Monday, December 10, 2001 by bar-knee:
"As players we have got to believe that we can still be in with a chance, but we will
have to wait and see. We have made it an uphill task for ourselves - a very uphill
task. I can’t put my finger on why it has happened, it is just one of those things.
But this team will come together and will stay together as a team. It’s going to be an
interesting year being Sir Alex’s last at the club, and it’s going to be very
interesting to see who takes over his role next year. Then when you play in World Cup
finals there are no easy games. You have to come up against the best and we have got
the best in our group."
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[38] What bollocks
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Posted Monday, December 10, 2001 by bar-knee:
John Sadler says in print what a few people have been whispering - Sadler writing if
we don't get 15 points from the next 5 comfortable games then 'Ferguson should
seriously consider resignation. If only to save himself from the awful consequences
that would arise from further failure to inspire players who owe the man so much".
a) it will not happen. Fergie wants Hampden - there is no way he'd walk out before
Europe
b) We would not let it happen. This goes back to perspective. With the papers full of
it are we staring relegation in the face with this side in 'crisis'. No, we rest,
sadly, in 9th place. It hurts. Our 7 crowns in the past however defy the logic of this
current criticism. Yes things are bad but it could have been 9 out of 9 titles - fact
- on the tenth season when it seems as though we might not have any say in the
Championship come that final deciding day everyone starts portraying it as the end of
Rome. It is only at the end of the season as to whether we can say if this is a
decline - certain things MUST be put right on the pitch but again we say, this all
leaves a very sour taste in the mouth. The ABU glee, the slagging of Fergie - we've
got perspective. We remember how easy it was a year ago and how hard it seems 365 days
on. That wasn't a side who were going to rule the Premiership for decades and this
isn't a side facing mid table obscurity for years to come.
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[37] Team from Saturday
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Posted Monday, December 10, 2001 by bar-knee:
Barthez, P Neville, O'Shea, G Neville, Silvestre, Chadwick (Beckham, 59), Keane, Butt
(A Cole, 69), Scholes, Solksjaer, Yorke (Fortune, 82). Substitutes not used: Wallwork,
Carroll (gk).
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[36] Fergie on Durkin - the Alan Ball of reffing
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Posted Monday, December 10, 2001 by bar-knee:
"I used to think he was a good referee but he's not any more."
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[35] Pancho Pearson disagrees with rotation
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Posted Monday, December 10, 2001 by bar-knee:
"I cannot understand why he left Van Nistelrooy and Veron out; I was worried when I
saw the team sheet as Chadwick is far from ready. I work in corporate hospitality here
and people were gutted when they heard Veron, Van Nistelrooy and Beckham were not
playing."
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[34] More Bestie
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Posted Monday, December 10, 2001 by bar-knee:
"Alex Ferguson does not make many mistakes but he is making them all at the same time.
Leaving out Van Nistelrooy, Veron and Beckham did not work against a team with the
league's worst defensive record. It was a disastrous result at this stage of the
season. All this talk about resting players is nonsense; they are fit athletes who are
getting well paid for what they do with 60,000 people screaming them on. They should
be able to go on adrenalin. We are only a third of the way through the season, God
knows what it will be like with two thirds gone. Will they be more tired and will he
leave more out? I said a couple of months ago they would win nothing. It might be for
the best if they don't because the person coming in to replace Ferguson will start
with a clean slate. These are desperate times for United."
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[33] More Fergie
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Posted Monday, December 10, 2001 by bar-knee:
"We cannot lose another game until the end of the season. It might be possible, we
have done it before (in 1996 they won 13 of their last 15 matches to overhaul
Newcastle's 12-point lead) but that result was a real shock to me."
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[32] Leeds jury to retire
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Posted Monday, December 10, 2001 by bar-knee:
PA story
The jury in the trial of two Leeds United footballers accused of taking part in an
attack on an Asian student is to retire to consider its verdicts. Jonathan Woodgate
and Lee Bowyer deny causing grievous bodily harm with intent to Sarfraz Najeib. Also
on trial accused of causing GBH are Paul Clifford and Neale Caveney. All four
defendants also deny affray.
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[31] More from Becks
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Posted Monday, December 10, 2001 by bar-knee:
"This award is voted by fans and people from around the county who watch the England
team play and Manchester United and that's who I thank for this award - it is amazing.
I would like to thank all the viewers for voting, but most of all my team-mates at
Manchester United and the manager, because without them I would not be standing here
today. People have said a lot about the Manchester United team and the manager over
the last couple of months, but when you talk about ambition there is only one man that
we all look up to - Sir Alex Ferguson. The team will pull together and come through
this difficult patch. I also have to thank my England team-mates, without them we
would not be at the stage where we are - and going through to the World Cup finals.
Obviously Mr Eriksson had the bottle to keep me as England captain and I thank him
very much for that"
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[30] Becks Sports Personality speech
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Posted Monday, December 10, 2001 by bar-knee:
"Most of all I would like to thank my wife who has been behind me all the time and
obviously my son, who watches me, every game."
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[29] Euro round-up
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Posted Monday, December 10, 2001 by bar-knee:
Nantes 1 Montpellier 2
Bayern 3 Wolfsburg 3
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[28] Full FA Cup draw
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Posted Monday, December 10, 2001 by bar-knee:
Stockport County v Bolton Wanderers
Wimbledon v Middlesbrough
Watford v Arsenal
Manchester City v Swindon Town
Halifax or Stoke v Everton
Wycombe v Fulham
Charlton v Blackpool
Sheffield United v Nottingham Forest
Leicester v Mansfield Town
Chesterfield or Southend v Tranmere Rovers
Derby County v Plymouth or Bristol Rovers
Brighton v Preston
Grimsby v York City
Rotherham v Southampton
Burnley v Canvey Island
Millwall v Scunthorpe United
Cheltenham Town v Oldham Athletic
Darlington v Peterborough United
Walsall v Bradford City
Norwich City v Chelsea
Macclesfield Town v West Ham
Exeter City or Dagenham & Redbridge v Ipswich
Portsmouth v Leyton Orient
Liverpool v Birmingham
Coventry v Tottenham
Cardiff City v Leeds United
Barnsley v Blackburn Rovers
Sunderland v West Bromwich Albion
Newcastle United v Crystal Palace
Aston Villa v Manchester United
Crewe Alexandra v Sheffield Wednesday
Wolverhampton Wanderers v Gillingham
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[27] George Best slams squad system
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Posted Monday, December 10, 2001 by bar-knee:
The Mirror also reports he is to have a liver transplant
"I just don't understand why he's resting players. They are paid so well and there are
67,000 people screaming them on so why do they need a rest. I can understand resting
players if they are injured, but not otherwise. It just doesn't make sense in my
opinion. You need your best players out there doing it for you week in, week out.
Everything is going wrong for United at the moment. It's all gone pear-shaped and it's
a bit of a shambles."
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[26] Becks on being rested
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Posted Monday, December 10, 2001 by bar-knee:
"I think I did, deep down (need a rest). I'd never admit it to myself or anyone else
but deep down I did. All players need a rest or are left on the bench for many a
reason. My situation has been well documented this week and of course I want to play
every game, but that's not possible. When the manager decides to leave you on the
bench you respect that. I am not going to question the manager for whatever he does -
it's his decision and I respect it."
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[25] Becks hints he wants to stay
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Posted Monday, December 10, 2001 by bar-knee:
"I think I've made the last 10 years my commitment to Manchester United, I think I've
worked hard for them and I want to carry on playing for Man United, that's the team I
support and the place where I'm most loved by the fans, and I love them."
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[23] Oh the glee
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Posted Monday, December 10, 2001 by bar-knee:
You may as well start calling the tabloids the Daily Manchester United so much
coverage do they give us. The Mirror has countless pages on us today - notably the
last four pages on 'The End of a Footballing Empire' and a front cover of Fergie going
to church with 'end of an empire' tag and 'Fergie says his prayers...but even he can't
help you now Alex'. As ever they stand top of the ABU pile.
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[22] Don't forget ....
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Posted Monday, December 10, 2001 by redend:
... if you want to check out the Saturday & Sunday news too - if you missed it - its
below today's first item. That'll be item [1].
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[21] Robbo talk
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Posted Monday, December 10, 2001 by bar-knee:
Most of the Sundays went with the story that Bryan Robson's role has been elevated at
United and he took training every day last week at Carrington. He's been involved in
training since the start of the season but the inference is he will now be some sort
of unofficial No.2.
You'll remember in an exclusive interview with Red News last month Robbo talked of his
involvement at Utd then:
Bryan Robson: Well the main thing that I am doing is Alex Ferguson has allowed me to
go into the club. I just phone up Brian McClair the day before, go into training and
then hopefully we can get a squad together of some of the more experienced lads and
some of the younger boys that are coming through and I join in training with them and
just generally help Bryan McClair out.
RN: And how are you enjoying being back in the Old Trafford fold?
BR: Yeah it's great. It's nice to be back with people like Giggsy and Beckham and all
them again and working with the young lads, so it feels all homely again because I'm
back with Brian McClair, Mick Phelan and Jim Ryan and they were all there when I was
at Old Trafford so it is great to be back here and working with them.
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[20] You have to laugh...at city
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Posted Monday, December 10, 2001 by bar-knee:
>From Danny Baker's column in the Times
'BY DANNY BAKER
I RARELY like to get drawn into the contemporary adventures of my own
Millwall FC, but I must say that the penalty given against Manchester City at The Den
on Tuesday night was a perfectly sound decision. However, so incensed was Kevin
"Keggy" Keegan by the referee's judgment that he went off like a Chinese firework and
had to be banished from the touchline. Three days later he was still giving it some
rage worthy of Rumplestiltskin. "If Alan Shearer can make use of video evidence then
so can I," Keg froths. "You could show that incident to a million officials and none
of them would give a penalty, none of them!" While this quote was reported only in the
printed press and as yet hasn't popped up in TV coverage, we don't know whether he was
wearing an eyepatch and parrot on his shoulder at the time as he so famously was when
he morphed into Robert Newton before a disbelieving open-mouthed public and growled:
"Arrr. If we beats Man United in yonder fixture I would loves it, I tell 'eee, loves
it!" The only indication of pirate apparel we have this!
time is that the quote itself is every bit as crazed. A million officials, Keg?
Really? Does not the hyberbole rather
weaken your case here? One million officials and not one might have awarded the spot
kick. I have to say I don't believe you.
I think a more helpful statistic, if you must go down that route, is that, out of one
million referees, only something like 112,000 of them would have gone for their
whistle. Then you sound considered and scientific. Then people might see your point.
Then people don't start reaching for the loony-bin type butterfly nets.
But if you insist you are mentally fit for a return to football and within a few
months start raving about a million imaginary referees all agreeing with you then I'm
afraid the writing's on the wall. Besides, your team won in the end. You've just got
to learn to have a bit more faith in your own squad and a fraction less in teeming
phantom officials crawling out of the wallpaper and riding gung-ho to the rescue.'
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[19] Fitting tribute
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Posted Monday, December 10, 2001 by bar-knee:
Posted by Alison to the IMUSA list
Les Sealey was a much-loved player at Manchester United. The reasons why were well
articulated at the time of his premature death in August this year, but we couldn't
get the club to recognise the depth of sadness that so many of us felt. It was
suggested United and West Ham (his other main club) could play a testimonial to help
his family, but United simply told us he only played about 50 games for us, we can't
be giving a testimonial to every ex-player. They can do testimonials to save them
having to pay an extra lump of salary to the likes of Ryan Giggs and Denis Irwin, but
no chance of one to help the family of one of our best loved players, who never earned
a fraction of what Ryan and Denis earn.
So we suggested maybe they could facilitate a collection or something to mark his
passing when we played the home game against West Ham. As this game approached, I was
saddened that nothing appeared to have been organised - no announcements at previous
games or via the media, Internet etc. However, my heart leapt as I walked toward the
ground and saw people shaking buckets - they did remember after all. I asked one of
the collectors was it in memory of Les Sealey and she looked at me like I was mad. It
was some charity collection which to be honest I couldn't be bothered with, as I
thought it so heartless to choose this week, when we'd asked to be able to honour Les.
Like many people, I don't buy programmes, so I had no idea that the club had planned
to lay a wreath at half time. That seems to have been the only announcement - half a
column in the programme. They seemed to think it was important just before the game
to announce the winner of some "chairman for the day" competition and do the dreadful
tannoy welcomes to "Johnny Nomark who's 30 today and making his first visit to the
Theatre of Dreams". Surely a chance to show respect to Les is more important than
that? Couldn't they have laid the wreath before the game? Or maybe told people what
was going to happen at half time, so we could wait. Though of course we'd have to
wait for the cash-dash draw first, because Les comes after that. Maybe donating the
cash-dash draw money to his widow and children might have been a nice idea?
So when they finally laid the wreath I was in the loo - totally unaware that it was
going to happen. Hardly the way I'd have chosen to remember one of our all time
favourite players. I raced back topside as quick as nature would let me, by which
time some guy in what looked like a butcher's coat was removing the wreath. How long
was it there - 5 minutes? I wonder how many people who were in the ground are still
unaware that anything was done?
Why does Manchester United plc always disappoint me so much? They own my football
club which I love, but we're saddled with these people in charge who are so badly out
of touch that they constantly ruin our match going experience with their crass
interference. I keep trying to give them credit for attempting to do things right
(and in Cuddly Pete's era you have to admit they do try) but almost every time they
make such a pig's ear of it you wish they'd go away and stop trying to be nice guys.
When they try and fail, you wish they hadn't bothered at all. What they did today was
worse than nothing.
Les Sealey RIP - Always in the hearts of the fans that loved you.
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[18] Saturday match report
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Posted Monday, December 10, 2001 by bar-knee:
By the ever excellent Paul. Remember you can now get his and Linda's new book on last
season - Three in a Row - details in RN issue 82. see his stuff at red11.org
Time warp
Manchester United 0 West Ham United 1
Premier League Saturday 8th December 2001
We ve slipped into a time warp haven t we? Please tell me it s true - that the whole
of Old Trafford has returned to 1974 and that it s not really happening. That we ll
all wake up and 2001 will have been there all the time and the last decade s status
quo will have been restored. Well, it just goes to show that football is nought but
unpredictable and that Manchester United have no divine right. Yes - it s the truth.
The reality is now, the last decade was pure fantasy along with the time warp theory
and those of you who joined the bandwagon fairly recently will have to get used to it.
And all those people who were chatting away on their mobile phones after the game
expounding theories that, Ferguson is more interested in his horses and doesn t want
it any more , you must be joking. Wake up to reality you stupid tw*ts.
There are theories of course as to why this change has come about.
De-stabilisation due to the Wizard s retirement announcement, thus raising doubts and
affecting team confidence and moral. The McClaren factor - the loss of a coach and his
temporary replacements assuming their own demise at the end of the season and thus
transmitting uncertainty. However, team morale doesn t seem to be at an all time low
as certain people would like to think it is. The passion was there for this game,
manifest in our very own snarling captain. The effort was there too, but when you are
out of luck you just have to battle through and hope that the break will come.
We thought it may have come on Wednesday. A good result that saw us on top of the Euro
table going into the break, but it didn t transfer itself to the Premiership. We are
still out of luck in that competition and whereas this time last season we d nearly
won the thing, this season we ve almost surely already lost it. I m not quite giving
up yet but when we can only just about see the Scousers disappearing way over the
horizon even I have to admit that our chances are slim to say the least.
And the day started quite well too. The doctor and I set off early as I had to visit a
gallery in (C)anal (S)treet which is holding an exhibition of football art next May.
Four of us will exhibit and the gallery owner wanted to check us out. Not that she
knew anything about football and asked us how long we d supported United, how we
started and why. I said, My old man said be a City fan, but I said........ and the
lad next to me said, Leeeeeeave it! We then were supposed to be going to meet with
Steve and John in Arbuckles but the doctor s sense of direction deserted him at a
crucial moment and despite reservations as massive as Manchester City football club,
I trusted him and we ended up at the Throstles. Yes, I know it s miles the other side
- don t even bother to ask!
The place was packed with 'appy 'ammers blowing their bubbles so the two of us and
Buz, who had arrived at the same time, sat outside on damp and dirty benches with the
non too healthy smell of the drains to keep us company. Good job the Fartman wasn t
with us I thought. When Pete and Hal arrived we wandered down to the ground with them.
I d been entrusted to acquire a Red News for the Fisherman and made my way down to
where Barney always stands. and either he d given in and had the operation or he d
entrusted his favourite spot to a female. I eventually found him on the bridge, bought
the fanzine, turned around to talk to Phil from our local supporters branch and he d
disappeared again. He s turned into an enigma that lad!
Phil told tales of probable team changes - no van Nist or Veron, no Blanc of course
(broken nose) and Becks on the bench. My heart sank as I wondered why. Maybe there
were adequate reasons - we are not party to every bit of information of course - but
if not, why change a winning team when we were in desperate need of consistency? Why
not change it for Wednesday against Derby after we d hammered West Ham?
As I walked into the ground the teams were being announced and the rumours were true -
as they usually are. I know the replacements are all good players, but at this moment
in time consistency is what matters most. Winning is a habit and those that have
achieved should surely be allowed to continue if at all possible, because losing is
also a habit. A bad habit that is harder to get out of. And to top it all we had a
referee who s favourite colours are red and yellow and the red isn t United red
either. He may look like he s Scholesy's Dad, but that s where the association ends.
It was no wonder he needed a police escort from the pitch at half time as the
Stretford and even the Family Stand hurled abuse.
Anyway - United showed purpose. The midfield snapped into action inspired by Keane.
The 'ammers fans made a half-hearted attempt at standing up and hating Man U but not
an awful lot else. The Stretford Tier Two were magnificent all the way through. The
rest of us made an effort, but could have done better at first. On the pitch, Yorke
and Silvestre both fired shots just past the post, Hutchinson did the same. Calamity
James (who looked like - well I can t really say what h
