> Peter Simons writes:
> The recent update to random 1.x, Yesod 1.4, and network 2.6.x was one of the
> most disruptive updates we've ever done, and it broke 32 packages out of a
> total of 1776 -- less than 2% -- and many of those broken packages are
> somewhat obscure ones, really. From poi
Hi John,
> We keep a dedicated branch, "haskell-updates", to which only your
> Hackage updates get pushed, or fixes to those updates. I will
> personally pull and rebuild this branch every day on my machine, just
> as I presently rebuild master nearly every day -- compiling more than
> 2,000
Hi Eelco,
>> The most important one is that by assimilating all kinds of standard
>> Unix services like cron, ntpd, and syslogd into a monolithic
>> program, systemd prevents innovation because it's nearly impossible
>> to replace any one of those services with an alternative one.
>
> This i
On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 03:09:15PM +0200, Eelco Dolstra wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 19/10/14 13:30, Nathan Bijnens wrote:
>
> > It's not all quiet at other Distro's, some Debian developers are considering
> > forking Debian if Debian switches to SystemD: http://debianfork.org/
> >
> > I like some of the
Hi,
On 19/10/14 13:30, Nathan Bijnens wrote:
> It's not all quiet at other Distro's, some Debian developers are considering
> forking Debian if Debian switches to SystemD: http://debianfork.org/
>
> I like some of the features of SystemD; on the other hand it makes porting Nix
> very hard to Non
>> If you have systemd installed, then half of your Unix ecosystem is
>> locked into one particular implementation of services that used to be
>> diverse, modular, and replaceable.
>They are still modular and replaceable (except for "core" stuff like udevd).
I think both we and you hyperbolize a b
Hi,
On 19/10/14 11:48, Peter Simons wrote:
> the article at [1] discusses pros and cons of systemd and raises some
> interesting points, IMHO. The most important one is that by assimilating
> all kinds of standard Unix services like cron, ntpd, and syslogd into a
> monolithic program, systemd pre
You can already have that, see nix-rehash which translates systemd units in
supervisord: https://github.com/kiberpipa/nix-rehash
For nixos, depending on system is not really a blocker since we're able to
easily transform services.
On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Nathan Bijnens wrote:
> It's no
It's not all quiet at other Distro's, some Debian developers are
considering forking Debian if Debian switches to SystemD:
http://debianfork.org/
I like some of the features of SystemD; on the other hand it makes porting
Nix very hard to Non-linux. I would love to have services on Mac, BSD,
Window
On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 1:13 PM, Alexander Zubkov wrote:
> And what you need from the integration of systemd with udev? What
> use-cases do you have for this?
>
>
Making services or mounts or timers depend upon the appearance or
disappearance of devices. I use that often to improve boot paralleli
And what you need from the integration of systemd with udev? What
use-cases do you have for this?
On 10/19/2014 02:57 PM, Luca Bruno wrote:
> That would be over-engineering instead. Your event system would have to
> talk with the init system with some IPC. So no, it shouldn't be
> externalized.
>
That would be over-engineering instead. Your event system would have to
talk with the init system with some IPC. So no, it shouldn't be
externalized.
On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 12:54 PM, Alexander Zubkov wrote:
> Sorry, copy-pasted the wrong link:
> http://uselessd.darknedgy.net/
>
> On 10/19/2014
Sorry, copy-pasted the wrong link:
http://uselessd.darknedgy.net/
On 10/19/2014 02:42 PM, Luca Bruno wrote:
> My reason for using systemd compared to nosh, uselessd, sysvinit, openrc or
> whatelse is that it's integrated with the event system (udev). That is the
> real advantage of systemd and you
My reason for using systemd compared to nosh, uselessd, sysvinit, openrc or
whatelse is that it's integrated with the event system (udev). That is the
real advantage of systemd and you should think more about this kind of
advantage.
My reason to hate systemd is that it has other components that ha
And do not forget uselessd:
https://wiki.int.qrator.net/wiki/DevOps/Solutions/JuniperIpipBgp
:)
On 10/19/2014 02:21 PM, Shell Turner wrote:
> On 19 October 2014 10:48, Peter Simons wrote:
>> Hi guys,
>> If you have systemd installed, then half of your Unix ecosystem is
>> locked into one particul
On 19 October 2014 10:48, Peter Simons wrote:
> Hi guys,
> If you have systemd installed, then half of your Unix ecosystem is
> locked into one particular implementation of services that used to be
> diverse, modular, and replaceable.
I'll note that there's a couple of re-implementations of parts
Hi guys,
the article at [1] discusses pros and cons of systemd and raises some
interesting points, IMHO. The most important one is that by assimilating
all kinds of standard Unix services like cron, ntpd, and syslogd into a
monolithic program, systemd prevents innovation because it's nearly
imposs
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