Re: [Nmh-workers] SMTP/IMAP/POP Support

2010-12-03 Thread Ken Hornstein
>I have little use for SMTP except to localhost, and I never understood >why /usr/sbin/sendmail for submit wasn't good enough. yeah, in the >olden days of 8Mbyte sun3s, running a local MTA was expensive... It's one more thing to configure. I just tried this out on my MacOS X system that I'm sen

Re: [Nmh-workers] SMTP/IMAP/POP Support

2010-12-03 Thread chad
On Dec 3, 2010, at 6:03 PM, Michael Richardson wrote: > fetchmail --proto POP3 --mda "/usr/lib/mh/rcvstore -sequence novavision > +inbox" --logfile /var/tmp/nvmail.log mail.novavision.ca I believe when I used to do something similar, I used slocal instead of rcvstore. I'm sorry to say that I

Re: [Nmh-workers] Understanding nmh (aka. What's the goal)

2010-12-03 Thread Michael Richardson
> "heymanj" == heymanj writes: >> Joel Uckelman writes: >>> Thus spake Lyndon Nerenberg: I would be surprised (stunned, really) if anyone was still using MH *exclusively* as their MUA. >>> Right here. Be surprised. >> Mee too. >> >> Norman Shapiro

Re: [Nmh-workers] SMTP/IMAP/POP Support

2010-12-03 Thread Michael Richardson
> "ben" == ben writes: ben> What do people use SMTP/IMAP/POP features for? Don't fetchmail ben> and sendmail cover this? I have little use for SMTP except to localhost, and I never understood why /usr/sbin/sendmail for submit wasn't good enough. yeah, in the olden days of 8Mbyte s

Re: [Nmh-workers] Minor git nits, and autotools junk

2010-12-03 Thread Ralph Corderoy
Ken Hornstein wrote: > > I'm not much of a fan of automake. I think our current makefiles are > > fine, personally. > > Hm, okay, given the above point ... would you object to a git branch > with the Makefiles converted over to automake? +1 automake. It does make the autotools stuff much cleane

Re: [Nmh-workers] Understanding nmh (aka. What's the goal) [ really non-ASCII message bodies ]

2010-12-03 Thread Peter Maydell
Jon Steinhart wrote: >Let me try to summarize here because there seems to be lots of energy here >for commentary but little for things that move us forward: > > o Many people still exclusively use nmh, some have drifted away. 'Nuf said >on this topic. > > o There is a general concensus that

Re: [Nmh-workers] Understanding nmh (aka. What's the goal) [ really non-ASCII message bodies ]

2010-12-03 Thread Jon Steinhart
> markus schnalke wrote: > > (4) no attachments & non-ASCII -> no MIME; the message contains > > non-ASCII chars; the recipient can not know which charset the > > non-ASCII chars had been. > > > > To cover case 4, one needs to run mime at the whatnow prompt manually. > > Yes, and I find t

Re: [Nmh-workers] Understanding nmh (aka. What's the goal)

2010-12-03 Thread Ralph Corderoy
John Romine wrote: > ...I dist the message to my Gmail account. (Before Gmail, I was > dist'ing to another mailbox that I POP'd with Thunderbird on a Windows > PC.) I haven't found a dist command in Gmail or Thunderbird; if you > know of one, let me know. No, I don't know of one but have you fo

Re: [Nmh-workers] Understanding nmh (aka. What's the goal) [ really non-ASCII message bodies ]

2010-12-03 Thread Ralph Corderoy
markus schnalke wrote: > (4) no attachments & non-ASCII -> no MIME; the message contains > non-ASCII chars; the recipient can not know which charset the > non-ASCII chars had been. > > To cover case 4, one needs to run mime at the whatnow prompt manually. Yes, and I find that annoying. M

Re: [Nmh-workers] Understanding nmh (aka. What's the goal)

2010-12-03 Thread Ralph Corderoy
Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: > I would be surprised (stunned, really) if anyone was still using MH > *exclusively* as their MUA. I haven't done so for years. I'm another one that does use it exclusively and have done since the early 1990s. > But the solution is not to turn it into a python-based re

Re: [Nmh-workers] Understanding nmh (aka. What's the goal)

2010-12-03 Thread John Romine
On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 9:35 AM, Ken Hornstein wrote: > >Well, since you asked, I am still using MH 6.8.4 on Solaris, often with > >exmh. I'm also running vintage MMDF as my MTA :-). > > Hey John, cool to see you're still around! Hadn't seen anything from > you in forever, so I thought you had g

Re: [Nmh-workers] Understanding nmh (aka. What\'s the goal)

2010-12-03 Thread Jeffrey Honig
On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 12:35, Ken Hornstein wrote: > >Well, since you asked, I am still using MH 6.8.4 on Solaris, often with > >exmh. I'm also running vintage MMDF as my MTA :-). > > Hey John, cool to see you're still around! Hadn't seen anything from > you in forever, so I thought you had gon

Re: [Nmh-workers] Understanding nmh (aka. What\'s the goal)

2010-12-03 Thread Ken Hornstein
>Well, since you asked, I am still using MH 6.8.4 on Solaris, often with >exmh. I'm also running vintage MMDF as my MTA :-). Hey John, cool to see you're still around! Hadn't seen anything from you in forever, so I thought you had gone off to bigger and better things. >However, I'm also using G

Re: [Nmh-workers] SMTP/IMAP/POP Support

2010-12-03 Thread Ken Hornstein
>What do people use SMTP/IMAP/POP features for? Don't fetchmail and >sendmail cover this? nmh has IMAP support? When did that happen? :-) But seriously ... markus already posted a thread which covers a lot of people's opinions. To summarize my opinion: I find configuring nmh directly to use SM

Re: [Nmh-workers] Minor git nits, and autotools junk

2010-12-03 Thread Ken Hornstein
>This brings up a question -- do we want to move to having >patches posted to the mailing list for review before they >are committed? That's what other git-using projects I deal >with do, and it's much easier to do that emailing with git... Hm. I guess I'm of two minds about this; I can see the v

Re: [Nmh-workers] SMTP/IMAP/POP Support

2010-12-03 Thread markus schnalke
[2010-12-03 09:09] ben+...@benjaminsummers.net > What do people use SMTP/IMAP/POP features for? Don't fetchmail and > sendmail cover this? You probably want to read this thread: http://www.mhonarc.org/archive/html/nmh-workers/2010-01/msg00055.html It explains the common thinking on the topic.

Re: [Nmh-workers] SMTP/IMAP/POP Support

2010-12-03 Thread Joel Uckelman
Thus spake ben+...@benjaminsummers.net: > What do people use SMTP/IMAP/POP features for? Don't fetchmail and > sendmail cover this? > I can tell you what I'd *like* to use IMAP for: I'd like to be able to read my mail on my phone using its mail reader, and use nmh when I'm at a computer with a re

[Nmh-workers] SMTP/IMAP/POP Support

2010-12-03 Thread ben+nmh
What do people use SMTP/IMAP/POP features for? Don't fetchmail and sendmail cover this? ___ Nmh-workers mailing list Nmh-workers@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/nmh-workers

Re: [Nmh-workers] Understanding nmh (aka. What\'s the goal)

2010-12-03 Thread John Romine
> > >MH was written by and for people who have a deep understanding of how email > >works, and who want to exploit the capabilities of email to the n-th degree. > >These people also tend to be pretty hard core about the fundamentals of > >software engineering, one of which is avoiding change for ch

Re: [Nmh-workers] JLR

2010-12-03 Thread John Romine
> [2010-10-29 14:22] David Levine > > meillo wrote: > > > > > just one question for better understanding: > > > > > > Who or what is ``JLR''? > > > > > > There are several #ifdefs for JLR in code which is related to scan(1). > > > There is also a comments which appears to be written by JLR and > >

Re: [Nmh-workers] Understanding nmh (aka. What's the goal)

2010-12-03 Thread Anders Eriksson
> Do an MH-like plug-in for Tbird/Mozilla/etc ? If I read this right, that work is already underway: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=402392 -Anders ___ Nmh-workers mailing list Nmh-workers@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listin

Re: [Nmh-workers] Minor git nits, and autotools junk

2010-12-03 Thread Peter Maydell
Ken Hornstein wrote: > [git stuff] This brings up a question -- do we want to move to having patches posted to the mailing list for review before they are committed? That's what other git-using projects I deal with do, and it's much easier to do that emailing with git... > Anyway, I guess my poi