Re: [Nmh-workers] (no subject)

2014-08-18 Thread David Levine
Ken wrote: > I guess my points are: > > - Looking back at the actual implementation, it is clear (to me at least) > that the parts were reversed to make it simpler on the code that displayed > multipart/alternatives; it was easy enough to bail out when it found > the first one that was the

Re: [Nmh-workers] (no subject)

2014-08-18 Thread Ken Hornstein
>> It's obvious that was done because otherwise, you could never give a >> consistent -part switch (it wouldn't make any sense if mhlist showed >> a part number of 1, but in mhshow it was really 2). > >I don't follow, but that doesn't matter. It makes >sense to me the way it is now, so I don't wan

Re: [Nmh-workers] Trying, and failing, to install the optional replyfilter

2014-08-18 Thread David Levine
I wrote: > Also, replyfilter gets installed without execute permission, > because INSTALL_DATA has -m 644. I changed dist_contrib_DATA to dist_contrib_SCRIPTS in Makefile.am and that fixed the permissions. All of the current contribs are scripts. David _

Re: [Nmh-workers] (no subject)

2014-08-18 Thread David Levine
Ken wrote: > >> Meh. Everywhere else nmh presents MIME parts in the order in > >> which they occur in the message; from what I can tell, > >> multipart/alternative was reversed just so the display code > >> would be easier to write. This seems like a lousy exception. > > > >mhlist is a counterex

Re: [Nmh-workers] Items for nmh 1.7

2014-08-18 Thread Jon Steinhart
Ken Hornstein writes: > >> So you want the default behavior of mhl to simply dump out the complete > >> body of a message, without doing any MIME decoding at all? That just > >> seems lousy to me, and also incredibly non-useful. Are people depending > >> on that behavior? > > > >Well yeah, I thin

Re: [Nmh-workers] Trying, and failing, to install the optional replyfilter

2014-08-18 Thread Ken Hornstein
>> Sigh; that would give us a perl dependency; I wasn't really ready >> for that just yet. > >Just to note that rpm and yum are ready. rpm digs into perl >code, figures out dependencies, and embeds the info in the rpm: >[...] I guess I was really hoping that the next version of nmh will have most

Re: [Nmh-workers] Items for nmh 1.7

2014-08-18 Thread Ken Hornstein
>> So you want the default behavior of mhl to simply dump out the complete >> body of a message, without doing any MIME decoding at all? That just >> seems lousy to me, and also incredibly non-useful. Are people depending >> on that behavior? > >Well yeah, I think that people should have to flip

Re: [Nmh-workers] (no subject)

2014-08-18 Thread Ken Hornstein
>> Meh. Everywhere else nmh presents MIME parts in the order in >> which they occur in the message; from what I can tell, >> multipart/alternative was reversed just so the display code >> would be easier to write. This seems like a lousy exception. > >mhlist is a counterexample. And a good one.

Re: [Nmh-workers] Items for nmh 1.7

2014-08-18 Thread Jon Steinhart
Ken Hornstein writes: > >OK, I may be too busy to contribute at the moment but I can't ignore > >provocative messages like this one :) > > I hope you realize that was all in good fun; I really wish we never broke > anything, but I don't think it's avoidable. Yes, I do. No problem. > >I don't u

Re: [Nmh-workers] Trying, and failing, to install the optional replyfilter

2014-08-18 Thread David Levine
Ken wrote: > >Also, I had to use yum to install several non-standard perl modules. > > Well, there's no standard as to what's standard ... those modules > all ship with the system-supplied perl here. The other comments > about the problems gettng it running are well taken; clearly there > are so

Re: [Nmh-workers] (no subject)

2014-08-18 Thread David Levine
Ken wrote: > [David:] > > > >Best-first has some appeal to me: I start at the top, see > >text/html or something else I can handle, and go with that > >without bothering to look at the other alternatives. > > Meh. Everywhere else nmh presents MIME parts in the order in > which they occur in the

Re: [Nmh-workers] Items for nmh 1.7

2014-08-18 Thread David Levine
Jon wrote: > The message displays just fine, but when I reply to it the original > message doesn't get decoded; it's included as base-64. I also > notice this with some other messages that are quoted/printable with > the = stuff. Is there some way to make this work that I just > haven't taken th

Re: [Nmh-workers] Items for nmh 1.7

2014-08-18 Thread Ken Hornstein
>OK, I may be too busy to contribute at the moment but I can't ignore >provocative messages like this one :) I hope you realize that was all in good fun; I really wish we never broke anything, but I don't think it's avoidable. >I don't use any custom mhl so I'm fine if it changes. *BUT*, I think

Re: [Nmh-workers] Items for nmh 1.7

2014-08-18 Thread Jon Steinhart
Ken Hornstein writes: > >>>I guess my question > >>to you would be, if we had a new mhl-like program that was MIME-aware, > >>why would you want to keep the old mhl around? > > > >Only to not break any scripts out there, that use it. > > As much as I love tormenting Jon Steinhart every time we cha

Re: [Nmh-workers] Items for nmh 1.7

2014-08-18 Thread Ken Hornstein
>>>I guess my question >>to you would be, if we had a new mhl-like program that was MIME-aware, >>why would you want to keep the old mhl around? > >Only to not break any scripts out there, that use it. As much as I love tormenting Jon Steinhart every time we change something in a new nmh release,

Re: [Nmh-workers] Items for nmh 1.7

2014-08-18 Thread norm
Ken Hornstein writes: >>I guess my question >to you would be, if we had a new mhl-like program that was MIME-aware, >why would you want to keep the old mhl around? Only to not break any scripts out there, that use it. Norman Shapiro ___ Nmh-worker

Re: [Nmh-workers] Items for nmh 1.7

2014-08-18 Thread Ken Hornstein
>So, ALL nmh responsibility for parsing and extracting mime parts would be in >[what mhl would become]. None would be in show, mhshow, repl, or anywhere else >Correct? Yeah, exactly. Really, I view it as getting back to the core MH architecture. When you look at the complete toolset, show's job w

Re: [Nmh-workers] Items for nmh 1.7

2014-08-18 Thread norm
Ken Hornstein writes: (10 weeks ago) >So, here's my thinking. Traditionally, the job of actually DISPLAYING >messages has been done by mhl. It seems to make sense that instead of >having two utilities (show and mhshow), there be only one utility: show, >which really uses mhl for it's heavy lift

Re: [Nmh-workers] Thoughts: header/address parsing

2014-08-18 Thread Ralph Corderoy
Hi Ken, > > I know there are few nmh programmers that haven't coded assember, > > but -outsize is something only a programmer could like. :-) > > Sigh. fmttest(1) really is designed to be able to exercise the > details of the format engine. Oh, I think it's fine for that, just not suitable to