[Nmh-workers] vmh and other unused files

2011-12-26 Thread Aleksander Matuszak
I am new at the list. Sorry for direct (and perhaps stupid) question. Does anyone can compile vmh from nmh-1.4-RC2? Form me it gives a lot of errors. I read at list archive that in nmh there is something like vmh. This what I need, ncurses interface to nmh, but it is not a part of debian nhm pack

Re: [Nmh-workers] repl and mime handling

2012-01-18 Thread Aleksander Matuszak
Joel Uckelman writes: > > > So, I have some thoughts in this direction, but I'm wondering: what do > > > you want out of repl in terms of better MIME handling? > > > > All the "text" parts turned into UTF-8 and quoted would be a good start. > > I can then trim down in vi as normal. > > Yes, ple

Re: [Nmh-workers] repl and mime handling

2012-01-18 Thread Aleksander Matuszak
Ken Hornstein writes: > >*Please, no!* Conversion from any charset to utf-8 is possible, but > >conversion back, according to user preferences, is not. People > >start to use funny characters like non-breakable space and so on. > > Unfortunately, we don't have unlimited development resources. >

Re: [Nmh-workers] repl and mime handling

2012-01-18 Thread Aleksander Matuszak
Ken Hornstein writes: > There is a good chunk of code inside of nmh that assumes ASCII (in > terms of "what is a space", "what is a newline", and other things). > [..] > internal representation UTF-8. What do you mean by "internal representation"? Conversion from any to utf-8, processing by t

Re: [Nmh-workers] repl and mime handling

2012-01-18 Thread Aleksander Matuszak
Joel Uckelman writes: > Thus spake Oliver Kiddle: > > > > The limitations occur where e-mails use characters that can't be > > displayed in the current locale but we can't do anything about that. > > > How likely is it that a message containing characters undisplayable in > the user's locale wi

Re: [Nmh-workers] repl and mime handling

2012-01-18 Thread Aleksander Matuszak
Ralph Corderoy writes: > Hi Aleksander, > > > For English-speaking countries UTF-8, in majority, means ASCII, they > > can see no difference. > > I don't think that's the case. Even North Americans, who have $ in > ASCII, still find ` ' " " and ... cropping up, especially when services > automa

Re: [Nmh-workers] repl and mime handling

2012-01-18 Thread Aleksander Matuszak
Lyndon Nerenberg writes: > >> But restrict the entire nmh to utf-8 charset would cripple system. > > How so, specifically? Plan9 has run a native UTF8-only mail environment > for ages (with a very MH-like mailstore, as well), and it's far from > crippled. This a tiny difference between "ent

Re: [Nmh-workers] repl and mime handling

2012-01-18 Thread Aleksander Matuszak
Ken Hornstein writes: > > Couple of years ago emacs switch to "internal" coding in utf-8. I > > had to stop using emacs and mh-e. > > See, this is what I'm missing - why, exactly? I assume the problem was not > just philsophical. Neither politycal, nor religious =:-) Purely practical. Imagine

Re: [Nmh-workers] mailxi and attachements

2012-01-30 Thread Aleksander Matuszak
Ralph Corderoy writes: > Hi, > > I still use mail(1) for sending one-line emails or in pipes. More imporant (for me) is the possibility to send only file(s) as attachements. echo Enclosed | nail -a some.file some...@somewhere.net Similar functionality has mutt, switch -a. I can't do it via

[Nmh-workers] More than one parameters in .mh_profile

2012-05-28 Thread Aleksander Matuszak
In the .mh_profile some entries specifies programs like: Editor: vim-mail moreproc: less postproc: /usr/lib/mh/post Some of those programs require options or parameters but apparently this is not accepted. I need moreproc to be "less -force" but show (nmh-1.3) refuses this. Workaround is to ma

Re: [Nmh-workers] UTF-8 message bodies

2012-05-28 Thread Aleksander Matuszak
Joel Uckelman writes: > My wife pointed out to me today that for the past seven years (!) since > the Linux distribution we use switched to UTF-8, when she sends messages > containing non-ASCII characters [..] and that nmh is > producing messages which lack any headers indicating that the contents

Re: [Nmh-workers] UTF-8 message bodies

2012-05-28 Thread Aleksander Matuszak
Ralph Corderoy writes: > Hi max, > > > Why not set in .mh_profile > > automimeproc: 1 > > I like to look over the mime'd draft before sending to check I got the > directives right. Well, it seems that both approaches can coexists if buildmimeproc would do nothing in case of already MIMEfied mes

Re: [Nmh-workers] More than one parameters in .mh_profile

2012-05-30 Thread Aleksander Matuszak
Ken Hornstein writes: > >I need moreproc to be "less -force" but show (nmh-1.3) refuses > >this. > > Yeah, I guess what happens there is mhl (or whatever) is trying to > exec("less -force"). Which as you've noted doesn't work. > > Other people have complained about this as well. But in this ca

Re: [Nmh-workers] UTF-8 message bodies

2012-05-30 Thread Aleksander Matuszak
Ken Hornstein writes: > >Well, it seems that both approaches can coexists if buildmimeproc > >would do nothing in case of already MIMEfied message. Instead of > >error reporting. > > There is one caution here ... if you have a line that begins with a "#" > that is NOT an mhbuild directive then yo

Re: [Nmh-workers] UTF-8 message bodies

2012-05-30 Thread Aleksander Matuszak
Ken Hornstein writes: > >It is possible to keep almost unchanged state with addition of > >one more clause to mhbuild like pair #off #on which marks the > >region where ^# is not interpreted as directive. > > But to me it seems dumb that # characters can't be in the > beginning of a line, and h

Re: [Nmh-workers] General question - unsupported charset conversion

2014-02-28 Thread Aleksander Matuszak
Ken Hornstein writes: > I've been grappling with to do when we have issues with character set > conversion. Unfortunately, I have a lot of experience and troubles with character set conversion. > Specifically, I have two issues: > > - What to do if the character set is unsupported. > Should

Re: [Nmh-workers] General question - unsupported charset conversion

2014-02-28 Thread Aleksander Matuszak
Ken Hornstein writes: > >Unfortunately, I have a lot of experience and troubles with character > >set conversion. > > Well, if you just bit the bullet and switched to UTF-8, you wouldn't have > all of these problems! :-) It is not that simple. Utf-8 solves couple of problems but creates some ne