Hello Ralph,
this likely goes to you in private only (via News)
Ralph Corderoy wrote:
|kre wrote:
|> Rather, I usually delete [X-Mailer] as I consider it no-one else's
|> business which software I use
|
|Yes, I'd want to turn it off from that point of view too. I use mail(1)
|for short in
Paul Vixie wrote:
|Ralph Corderoy wrote:
|> Perhaps a complainant could be told of the secret $NMHNOBARF to stop
|> TRUNCCPY from aborting? Though it would still complain for the first N
|> goes?
|
|i think the moment that the state of the program becomes undefined, you
|should abort.
|
Hi. Damn it's late...
Ralph Corderoy wrote:
|> Therefore i think a function like the Linux strscpy()
|
|That was a new one to me. I found it, https://manned.org/strscpy.9
|It's defined in the Linux kernel.
|
|ssize_t strscpy(char * dest, const char * src, size_t count);
|
|Does noth
Ralph Corderoy wrote:
|I wrote:
|> EXIT STATUS
|> mhparam returns the number of components that were not found.
|...
|> $ mhparam `yes | sed 256q`; echo $?
|> 0
|
|I've just pushed to git.
|
|http://git.savannah.nongnu.org/cgit/nmh.git/commit/?id=e8eb3afba50cbec8\
|
Robert Elz wrote:
...
|If the mbox encoding format had been properly designed, rather than just
|a "we need some way to fix the problem that a line starting 'From' in
|a message acts like a separator" (which was a real issue/bug in early
|implementations of it) this issue wouldn't arise.
It
Ken Hornstein wrote:
|>It seems it has been simply be carried along from original Unix
|>mail storage, and never has been properly adjusted thereafter.
|>POSIX also standardized this loose format which was in use since
|>that beginning. RFC 4155 defined a more proper format.
|
|I think ther
Ralph Corderoy wrote:
|>> so a program like mail would offer two escapes (~e vs. ~v) to let
|>> yo invoke either.
|>
|> So ... I guess programs would look at the terminal and if your speed
|> was 9600 baud or greater, you'd use VISUAL, and if it was slower you'd
|> use EDITOR?
|
|No, AFAI
Robert Elz wrote:
|Date:Tue, 20 Mar 2018 15:43:37 +0100
|From:Steffen Nurpmeso
|Message-ID: <20180320144337.zm2ro%stef...@sdaoden.eu>
|
|| BSD Mail had both of ~v and ~e from the very start. I know of no
|| known released file which acted oth
Bakul Shah wrote:
|On Tue, 20 Mar 2018 23:57:28 +0700 Robert Elz wrote:
|Robert Elz writes:
|> Date:Tue, 20 Mar 2018 15:43:37 +0100
|> From: Steffen Nurpmeso
|> Message-ID: <20180320144337.zm2ro%stef...@sdaoden.eu>
|>
|>| BSD Mail had b
Hello Ralph.
Ralph Corderoy wrote:
|>> mail(1) had the `~e' escape and then added a `~v' one, with VISUAL
|>> and EDITOR environment variables echoing the cpp(1) macro names of
|>> the default values. Kurt Shoens, k...@ucbvax.berkeley.edu, is down
|>> as the author in BSD-1-253-gc145e9e0ab5
Bakul Shah wrote:
|On Mar 20, 2018, at 5:04 PM, Ralph Corderoy wrote:
|>>> mail(1) had the `~e' escape and then added a `~v' one, with VISUAL
|>>> and EDITOR environment variables echoing the cpp(1) macro names of
|>>> the default values. Kurt Shoens, k...@ucbvax.berkeley.edu, is down
|>>>
Ralph Corderoy wrote:
|> Ok, i do not have Spinellis repo locally (yet), it is too big.
|> (How large is it in the end, Ralph?)
|
|1.5 GiB. Too large to pull home with ADSL. I've a VM out on the
|Internet that has fast connectivity and I copied it there.
Interesting idea... but is has to w
Ralph Corderoy wrote in <20180731135013.d6e8b21...@orac.inputplus.co.uk>:
...
|I recently read this `Apple Mail' email with mhshow, read the
|plain/text, and it wasn't apparent to me there were images too.
...
|$ mhlist -nov -prefer text/plain
| msg part type/subtype
Ralph Corderoy wrote in <20190627125114.70a3921...@orac.inputplus.co.uk>:
|Revisiting once again the issue of nice text from horrible HTML emails,
|I found another textual web browser, like lynx(1), etc., but
|http://netrik.sourceforge.net/ uses colour in its --dump output.
|It doesn't list the
Ken Hornstein wrote in <20190627150420.4ff107a...@pb-smtp21.pobox.com>:
|Everyone,
|
|When researching the issue Michael Richardson brought up today, it make
|me realize we really should be calling SSL_set_tlsext_host_name() so we
|send the TLS extension "server name indicator". Which is easy
Ken Hornstein wrote in <20190627171410.ea24e7b...@pb-smtp21.pobox.com>:
|>I use that protected via
|>
|> #ifdef SSL_CTRL_SET_TLSEXT_HOSTNAME
|
|I did see that ... but I also was worried that since OpenSSL makes no
|guarantees that this define will stick around in the future, depending
|on t
Ken Hornstein wrote in <20190627175008.639987b...@pb-smtp21.pobox.com>:
|>Thinking about it, the "ext" in SSL_set_tlsext_host_name
|>could appear strange in five years from now.
|
|As opposed to the REST of the OpenSSL API? :-)
..seen that way.. But the problem is real:
#?0|kent:$ grep -ri
Ken Hornstein wrote in <20190710152824.2d9b961...@pb-smtp21.pobox.com>:
...
|all of the time? Secondly ... I am seeing more and more authentication
|methods that require keeping some kind of state and possibly user
|interaction in the MUA (GSSAPI and XOAUTH2 are two examples that I have
|per
Paul Fox wrote in <20190725113853.e9a0a5180...@grass.foxharp.boston.ma.us>:
|bakul wrote:
|> Once in a while I download email archives of some mailing list
|> and unpack them using "inc -file ". But more
|> than once I have seen that inc gets confused and doesn't
|> unpack the whole thing. The
Ken Hornstein wrote in <20190926163645.c801a82...@pb-smtp20.pobox.com>:
|Everyone,
|
|I received this email, and I wanted to pass it along. The executive
|summary is: in the near future subject lines to nmh-workers will no
|longer be prefixed with "[nmh-workers]" and there won't be a footer
Ken Hornstein wrote in <20190926174635.3b44384...@pb-smtp20.pobox.com>:
|>Yuck. As a purely rhetorical note, do they have a plan to upgrade
|>from the TLS 1.0 they use. (And i hope this does not qualify as
|>sexual harassment. It is not! I eat at home, like the Beatles.)
|
|I ... do not kn
Ken Hornstein wrote in <20190926231658.6947788...@pb-smtp20.pobox.com>:
|>And it is entirely unrelated to this thread of course.
|
|I mean, at least we're in agreement there :-/ And I'm not even sure
|WHY you care about what version of TLS that eggs.gnu.org supports, since
|it is handling mes
Paul Vixie wrote in <2b52ccf2-a559-9b70-869c-68da37fee...@redbarn.org>:
|Ken Hornstein wrote on 2019-09-26 09:36:
|> Everyone,
|>
|> I received this email, and I wanted to pass it along. The executive
|> summary is: in the near future subject lines to nmh-workers will no
|> longer be prefix
hymie! wrote in <20190927142152.ga21...@alfred.local.net>:
|On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 02:54:14AM -0700, Paul Vixie wrote:
|> Ken Hornstein wrote on 2019-09-26 09:36:
|>> I received this email, and I wanted to pass it along. The executive
|>> summary is: in the near future subject lines to nmh-wo
Andy Bradford wrote in <20191121072709.1303.qm...@angmar.bradfordfamily.org>:
|Thus said Greg Minshall on Wed, 20 Nov 2019 10:41:34 +0530:
|> then, i'd like to use something like fmttest(1) to print out all the
|> "Received:" lines in an e-mail message. ideally, each "Received:" line
|> would
Andy Bradford wrote in <20191122084003.18170.qmail@angmar.bradfordfamily\
.org>:
|Thus said Steffen Nurpmeso on Thu, 21 Nov 2019 23:14:29 +0100:
|> I have heared someone revived qmail and wants to include some patches
|> for builtin TLS etc. That sounded very much interesting, e
Valdis Klētnieks wrote in <235182.1574454918@turing-police>:
|On Fri, 22 Nov 2019 20:51:52 +0100, Steffen Nurpmeso said:
|
|> I prefer people using Mail-Followup-To: instead of some ML
|> software modifying the address lists, they could as well just
|> avoid resending the mail!
john doe wrote in :
|Hello all, and thank you for your answers.
|
|On 1/8/2020 3:07 PM, Ralph Corderoy wrote:
|> Hi John,
|>
|>> As far as I understand it, NMH can not be used directly with IMAP,so I
|>> would like to use FDM for this.
|>
|> For those of us that didn't know, or have forgot
john doe wrote in <9019622b-d084-25ad-f574-c5a69be76...@mail.com>:
|On 1/8/2020 4:19 PM, Steffen Nurpmeso wrote:
|> john doe wrote in :
|>|Hello all, and thank you for your answers.
|>|
|>|On 1/8/2020 3:07 PM, Ralph Corderoy wrote:
|>|>> As far as I underst
Ken Hornstein wrote in
<20200720191854.ea8a179...@pb-smtp1.pobox.com>:
|>I noticed that my two gmail accounts stopped working. I can mhlogin
|>again, and was told:
|>
|> Sign in with Google temporarily disabled for this app This app has
|> not been verified yet by Google in order to use G
Ken Hornstein wrote in
<20200720194227.63d9363...@pb-smtp2.pobox.com>:
|>For mutt(1) someone put quite some effort to generate a full
|>OAuth2 support script if i understood right what "flew by" in my
|>inbox. It should be in contrib, there.
|
|We've DONE that work.
Would you mind not always
Michael Richardson wrote in
<5853.1595289693@localhost>:
|
|> Some hurdles must be taken before being able to use this method. Using
|> GMail as an example, an application (that is a name) must be registered,
|> for which credentials, a “client ID” and a “client secret”, need to be
|> created
Ralph Corderoy wrote in
<20210512202431.3d70322...@orac.inputplus.co.uk>:
|Hi Valdis,
|
|> Which raises the question - what is getting into the path so when
|> Laura adds entries to /etc/mailcap, things start working for her?
|
|Ken suggested some distros might alter nmh's release when packa
Ken Hornstein wrote in
<20210512224215.9969ccd...@pb-smtp1.pobox.com>:
|>nmh could adapt or build upon the src/mx/mailcap.c of my MUA. It
|>is pretty much standing on its own feet, has matured (there were
|>a few hmm nits), and offers really nice extensions like
|>x-mailx-test-once, x-mailx-i
Hello Ralph.
Ralph Corderoy wrote in
<20210513082404.40c9a20...@orac.inputplus.co.uk>:
|> For example it treats un/even reverse solidus at EOLs nice, which is
|> still not true as of today for shells, for example:
|>
|> #?0|kent:steffen$ echo du \
|>> hey
|> du \\hey
|> #?0|kent:
Ralph Corderoy wrote in
<20210513102317.62e1e20...@orac.inputplus.co.uk>:
|I wrote:
|> I wonder if Fedora or Debian offer something similar.
|
|Fedora's bots listen to a RabbitMQ message bus for news of software
|releases from Anitya at https://release-monitoring.org.
|
| ‘Anitya is a rel
Michael Richardson wrote in
<31957.1623081930@localhost>:
|Ralph Corderoy wrote:
|>> outgoing/y2001 has 1287 messages (1-1287).
|>> outgoing/y2002 has 9335 messages (1-9335).
|>> outgoing/y2003 has 3909 messages (1-3909).
|
|> Out of interest, how did you pick what's in each year? Te
Ralph Corderoy wrote in
<20210612103715.a572c21...@orac.inputplus.co.uk>:
|>> I am aware that some people, for reasons I cannot comprehend, want
|>> to run in the "C" locale
|>
|> I do that, not so much because I want to, but because that's what
|> happens when no LC_* env variables (nor LANG
Ken Hornstein wrote in
<20210613021227.0fefad0...@pb-smtp1.pobox.com>:
|>Last i looked they use a gigantic chunk of memory in mbstate_t or
|>so (128 byte?).
|
|128 bytes is considered 'gigantic'? :-)
Per mbstate, yes! It is near a citation of Christos Zoulas of
NetBSD in fact. Here on my GN
Hello Ralph.
Ralph Corderoy wrote in
<20210614121214.84c1621...@orac.inputplus.co.uk>:
|> It is really terrible that all this is a black box; but how to do it
|> right? In the end, with Unicode aka UTF-8 locales, we come to a point
|> where it would really be doable, since now nl_langinfo(COD
Steffen Nurpmeso wrote in
<20210614162626.vfjxt%stef...@sdaoden.eu>:
...
| <20210614121214.84c1621...@orac.inputplus.co.uk>:
...
||Why not iconv(3) the input from the user's locale, the MIME part's
||charset, etc., to UTF-8, work internally, and then iconv() again on t
Ken Hornstein wrote in
<20210614165452.a056f120...@pb-smtp20.pobox.com>:
|>Sure, convert to Unicode, work in Unicode, convert back, that is
|>the way to go.
|
|I know that this is application dependent, but what "work" do you
|need to perform on the characters?
|
|I realized back when I was
Ralph Corderoy wrote in
<20210614205202.034db21...@orac.inputplus.co.uk>:
|Hi Steffen,
|
|> It is still hard to do with POSIX let alone ISO. You need an UTF-8
|> locale you can actively select, POSIX/ISO functions do not support
|> graphemes, and __STDC_ISO_10646__ is an option, so that you
Good evening.
Ken Hornstein wrote in
<20210615025348.83822125...@pb-smtp20.pobox.com>:
|>kre was coming from a "per draft source character set" i think.
|>But of course, application dependent. It is more general than "i
|>really need this now to get nmh (or mailx) going". When i went
|>onli
Steffen Nurpmeso wrote in
<20210615212220.5bc88%stef...@sdaoden.eu>:
...
|a minority by very far, and in the 60s an african bishop said "by
|the year 2700 the white man will have destroyed live on earth",
|and i believed him already when i was young.
Actually he said
By t
Hello.
I seem to recall that you are slowly drifting towards a new
release, and as i was thrilled by RFC 9057 i thought i bring it to
your attention, in case you are not yet aware. I implemented it
for my mailer right away yesterday afternoon (i have not restarted
it yet though), as i think it go
Ken Hornstein wrote in
<20210624180220.daccf12a...@pb-smtp20.pobox.com>:
|>I seem to recall that you are slowly drifting towards a new
|>release, and as i was thrilled by RFC 9057 i thought i bring it to
|>your attention, in case you are not yet aware. I implemented it
|>for my mailer right a
Ken Hornstein wrote in
<20220629184548.f030b19f...@pb-smtp20.pobox.com>:
|>I guess I will try the Maildir hard links script with
|>cyrus-imapd for providing access to the 6G of mail on my desktop.
|>I'm okay that it would be read-only... it's probably a feature.
|
|I am continually confused w
Philipp Takacs wrote in
:
|[2022-06-29 21:07] Steffen Nurpmeso
|> (I personally like a nice and so on, append-only MIME MBOX the
|> most, and do not understand why people do not like it.
|
|Because mbox is a horrible file format. First of all it's only one file
|so you have
Ralph Corderoy wrote in
<20220725092852.e055e20...@orac.inputplus.co.uk>:
|> I ran mhstore(1) and was surprised by the ‘81081.2.*’ filename.
|...
|> 2 image/* 2985K
|...
|> I haven't checked yet, but I assume it violates the RFCs.
|
|It does by my reading of
|https:/
Ken Hornstein wrote in
<20221228151732.bd63b1d2...@pb-smtp20.pobox.com>:
...
|MUA that generates that header or checks it. I'm not even sure we
|calculate the digest correct for text types, it was a mess in terms
|of implementation, _and_ MD5 is Officially Considered Broken. Calling
...
I
Ralph Corderoy wrote in
<20230131181958.1cfb121...@orac.inputplus.co.uk>:
...
|But if HOME is empty we do not know their intent so to ignore it and use
|pw_dir may not be what they think will occur. The wrong profile could
|be read or the wrong .netrc used, upsetting the user.
By the way my
Ken Hornstein wrote in
<20230219001921.597ad1e0...@pb-smtp20.pobox.com>:
...
|- mutt
...
|[.]Internally mutt does
|have an idea if the content contains a NUL (the CONTENT structure contains
|a 'nulbin' member which contains the number of NUL bytes), but it's not
|clear to me what happens wh
P.S.:
Congratulations to your new release btw.
I have written an OAuth helper in Python3 that suports OAuth for
GMail, Microsoft, Yandex:
curl -u moon:mars --basic -O
https://git.sdaoden.eu/browse/s-toolbox.git/plain/oauth-helper.py
It has a "manual" mode where it documents for GMail
-- H
Ken Hornstein wrote in
<20230219012125.2e48b1d7...@pb-smtp21.pobox.com>:
|>Seems to me this is classifcation of attachment data, which will end up
|>as octet-stream in that case.
|
|It's ... a little confusing!
|
|>For S-nail we more or less do what Heirloom mailx has done.
|
|Well, it see
Bakul Shah wrote in
:
|On Apr 3, 2023, at 2:40 PM, Ken Hornstein wrote:
|>
|> tbl (which seems like it has been supported ... forever?) does the hard
|> work of creating tables for you. It seems like the right tool for the
|> job; even I could figure it out. As Anthony has pointed out man
Robert Elz wrote in
<8706.1680561...@jacaranda.noi.kre.to>:
|Date:Mon, 3 Apr 2023 15:10:15 -0700
|From:Bakul Shah
|Message-ID:
|
|| mandoc doesn't understand tbl output for the simple test i tried.
|
|No, in general mandoc doesn't process *roff input at all.
Ken Hornstein wrote in
<20230403223814.692aa1f2...@pb-smtp21.pobox.com>:
|>>> Sorry if I jumped into the middle and missed something, but what about
|>>> using this to convert once?
|>>>
|>>> groff -Thtml
|>
|>> I guess my next question is ... what do we do after that?
|>
|>I thought if we
George Michaelson wrote in
:
|Not to prolong the agony, I tried the example on OSX for man tbl:
|
| .TS
| tab(@);
| ccc.
| This@is@centered
| Well,@this@also
| .TE
|
|It didn't work with the nroff -man they sup
Anthony J. Bentley wrote in
<2866-1680590811.027...@hnc7.hhyy.epmr>:
|Ken Hornstein writes:
|> Let's take the example you gave where the first line for a man
|> page that uses tbl should contain:
|>
|> '\" t
|>
|> So, my question is ... what does this mean? I understand that \" is
|> a co
Greg Minshall wrote in
<747928.1680604649@archlinux>:
...
|[NB: i'm not claiming asciidoc is the right "light-weight markup
|language" to choose. i don't really know. it just seems reasonable
|enough to me. though, probably choosing any of the options, such as
...
What i always hated was
Ken Hornstein wrote in
<20230713143447.b814036...@pb-smtp20.pobox.com>:
|>Thanks Ken! I'll be giving this a try! (I would have "just tried it
|>myself", but I don't have any modern readers installed! Small point
|>of pride, until now. :-)
|
|One note: you MIGHT have to have Thunderbird co
Hello.
Philipp wrote in
<93c190b84a23e620d07b9504f619b1f2.phil...@bureaucracy.de>:
|[2023-08-24 21:07] Philipp Takacs
|> [2023-08-23 14:29] Philipp
|>> [2023-08-20 22:14] David Levine
|>>> Ken Hornstein wrote:
...
|I have tested this and fixed some bugs. A commit with a test is attached.
Steffen Nurpmeso wrote in
<20230825213130.xthnk%stef...@sdaoden.eu>:
|Philipp wrote in
| <93c190b84a23e620d07b9504f619b1f2.phil...@bureaucracy.de>:
||[2023-08-24 21:07] Philipp Takacs
||> [2023-08-23 14:29] Philipp
||>> [2023-08-20 22:14] David Levine
||&g
doug dougwellington.com wrote in
:
|I'm an old Unix system admin command line type, and I love MH/nmh.
|
|I let the Mac and PC worlds distract me for a bit, but I'm really tired \
|of dealing with Calendar, Outlook, and the like, especially when Microsoft \
|is threating to change the user in
Ken Hornstein wrote in
<20231102175429.174f22e...@pb-smtp21.pobox.com>:
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|>I'm firmly planted in the Linux, MacOS, Windows, and Android worlds.
|>So, my current calendar is a piece of paper on a clipboard that I always
|>carry with me, LOL! I find it way more expedient to use the clipboard
Ken Hornstein wrote in
<20231102201740.80a852f...@pb-smtp21.pobox.com>:
|>The all-embedded RFC 7265 JCAL (plus JMAP etc) is surely the
|>future for all of you.
|
|I get the feeling there's some scorn in that statement. I'm not trying
|to drag anyone else's choices; it's tough to find the rig
Thomas Dupond wrote in
<7c469bc6-ad63-48c0-9afb-0d6c06d5d...@dupond.eu>:
...
|Wow thanks for this fix! Being able to use nmh as a mailx replacement \
|in Debian will be very useful to me.
Sheer unbelievable.
New version up in summer, will be called "Mountains O' Things".
And has! (More than t
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