Re: [Nmh-workers] 1.3 release and Dcc/Bcc behaviour

2007-04-10 Thread Robert Elz
Date:Tue, 10 Apr 2007 18:04:11 +1000 From:Joel Reicher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | Nevertheless, I don't agree that the nmh algorithm is fine. On the | contrary, I think most of what you've said constitutes an argument in | favour of des

Re: [Nmh-workers] 1.3 release and Dcc/Bcc behaviour

2007-04-10 Thread Joel Reicher
> | Perhaps you are making a point about the way nmh generates message-ids? > | Should the algorithm be smarter than it is for us to change the > | default with a clear conscience? > > No, that's not it, the algorithm is fine (look at my message-id header, > you'll see nothing there differen

Re: [Nmh-workers] 1.3 release and Dcc/Bcc behaviour

2007-04-09 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
On Apr 9, 2007, at 5:33 AM, Robert Elz wrote: Uniqueness is what is needed - the hostname issue is that I know of know way to ensure uniqueness without some kind of global registry The best uniqueness property for a message is the message itself. Derive the message-id from a cryptographi

Re: [Nmh-workers] 1.3 release and Dcc/Bcc behaviour

2007-04-09 Thread Robert Elz
Date:Mon, 09 Apr 2007 13:38:15 +1000 From:Joel Reicher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | I was going to put it in the ChangeLog and give it a somewhat | prominent place in the 1.3 release announcement. I'm not sure I can convince myself that mo

Re: [Nmh-workers] 1.3 release and Dcc/Bcc behaviour

2007-04-08 Thread Joel Reicher
> Date:Sat, 31 Mar 2007 20:02:55 +1000 > From:Joel Reicher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > | I get the feeling this might be catching many people, and my preference > | would be to put "-msgid" in the defaults for "send". > > I might too

Re: [Nmh-workers] 1.3 release and Dcc/Bcc behaviour

2007-04-08 Thread Peter Maydell
Robert Elz wrote: >From:Joel Reicher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > | I get the feeling this might be catching many people, and my preference > | would be to put "-msgid" in the defaults for "send". > >I might too (see below for possibly why not), if MH were just being released >now - but this

Re: [Nmh-workers] 1.3 release and Dcc/Bcc behaviour

2007-04-07 Thread Robert Elz
Date:Sat, 31 Mar 2007 20:02:55 +1000 From:Joel Reicher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | I get the feeling this might be catching many people, and my preference | would be to put "-msgid" in the defaults for "send". I might too (see below for p

Re: [Nmh-workers] 1.3 release and Dcc/Bcc behaviour

2007-03-31 Thread Jerrad Pierce
>> Strange. I see aliases expanded in the "fcc:" copy. >So do I. I said "local user names". "ralph" isn't an alias, it's a >user in /etc/passwd. forwarding on an fcc copy leaves it as a plain Yes, you did. When in fact, what you meant was non-fully qualified addresses. There is very much a diff

Re: [Nmh-workers] 1.3 release and Dcc/Bcc behaviour

2007-03-31 Thread Ralph Corderoy
Hi Neil, > > Besides, I've always found fcc useless. It doesn't expand local > > user names, e.g. `to: ralph' stays like that instead of becoming > > `to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]', and there's no message-id which is > > vital for referring someone back to an earlier email. I dcc myself > > and file t

Re: [Nmh-workers] 1.3 release and Dcc/Bcc behaviour

2007-03-31 Thread Joel Reicher
> I see a > message-id header. The message-id header results from "send: -msgid" > in my profile. I get the feeling this might be catching many people, and my preference would be to put "-msgid" in the defaults for "send". I think it makes more sense for the software constructing the message to c

Re: [Nmh-workers] 1.3 release and Dcc/Bcc behaviour

2007-03-30 Thread Jerry Peek
I didn't read the comp.mail.mh article, so maybe I'm repeating what was said there. But whenever I use dcc:, I always end up saving those lines to a temporary file (or copying them with my mouse), then editing my copy to add that field to it -- so I can find out, later, who I sent the message

Re: [Nmh-workers] 1.3 release and Dcc/Bcc behaviour

2007-03-30 Thread Neil W Rickert
Ralph Corderoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on Mar 30, 2007: >Agreed. >Besides, I've always found fcc useless. It doesn't expand local user >names, e.g. `to: ralph' stays like that instead of becoming `to: >[EMAIL PROTECTED]', and there's no message-id which is vital for >referring someone back to

Re: [Nmh-workers] 1.3 release and Dcc/Bcc behaviour

2007-03-30 Thread Ralph Corderoy
Hi Jerrad, > > Perhaps I wasn't clear. If I have > > Indeed. Actually, I was just being polite. My second message merely repeated the information that was in the first. > > The former isn't very helpful if I ever wish to dist or forw the > > email on. No message-id is a killer. > > Meh, it s

Re: [Nmh-workers] 1.3 release and Dcc/Bcc behaviour

2007-03-30 Thread Jerrad Pierce
>Perhaps I wasn't clear. If I have Indeed. >The former isn't very helpful if I ever wish to dist or forw the email >on. No message-id is a killer. Meh, it saves a copy of the draft. No alias expansion, and (in theory) no header strippage. This preserves as much information as possible; potenti

Re: [Nmh-workers] 1.3 release and Dcc/Bcc behaviour

2007-03-30 Thread Ralph Corderoy
Hi Jerrad, > > Besides, I've always found fcc useless. It doesn't expand local > > user names, e.g. `to: ralph' stays like that instead of becoming > > `to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]', and there's no message-id which is > > vital for > > Erm, it's not at all useless, you're misusing it. Fcc is for filin

Re: [Nmh-workers] 1.3 release and Dcc/Bcc behaviour

2007-03-30 Thread Jerrad Pierce
>Besides, I've always found fcc useless. It doesn't expand local user >names, e.g. `to: ralph' stays like that instead of becoming `to: >[EMAIL PROTECTED]', and there's no message-id which is vital for Erm, it's not at all useless, you're misusing it. Fcc is for filing a local copy, it expects a f

Re: [Nmh-workers] 1.3 release and Dcc/Bcc behaviour

2007-03-30 Thread Ralph Corderoy
Hi Paul, > joel wrote: > > 1) Some people have commented on the comp.mail.mh newsgroup that Bcc > > and Dcc headers should not be removed before Fcc is processed, so > > that the Fcc copy contains them. Since the default components has > > Fcc: +outbox in it I'm inclined to agree. Does anyone dis

Re: [Nmh-workers] 1.3 release and Dcc/Bcc behaviour

2007-03-30 Thread Paul Fox
joel wrote: > 1) Some people have commented on the comp.mail.mh newsgroup that Bcc and >Dcc headers should not be removed before Fcc is processed, so that the >Fcc copy contains them. Since the default components has >Fcc: +outbox >in it I'm inclined to agree. Does anyone disag

Re: [Nmh-workers] 1.3 release and Dcc/Bcc behaviour

2007-03-30 Thread Peter Maydell
Joel Reicher wrote: >2) I think the current CVS code should be released as 1.3. If nobody > objects, I will change the version string to "1.3-RC1" and upload a > 1.3-RC1 tarball. When all issues are worked out, I'll tag the code in > CVS as RELEASE_1_3, change the version string to "1.3", and

[Nmh-workers] 1.3 release and Dcc/Bcc behaviour

2007-03-30 Thread Joel Reicher
Hi all, Two things: 1) Some people have commented on the comp.mail.mh newsgroup that Bcc and Dcc headers should not be removed before Fcc is processed, so that the Fcc copy contains them. Since the default components has Fcc: +outbox in it I'm inclined to agree. Does anyone disagree?