> Once I figured out that I needed the smtp MTS, it was
>probably a couple of hours and I was already tired. The month was
>an intermittent project of trying to figure out how to make
>exim4's version of sendmail do what it is not designed to do.
I ... do not think we're talking about the sa
Ken Hornstein writes:
> Recall when I said I felt the SMTP MTS was better for nearly all users?
> This is exactly what I was talking about; all you should have had to do
> was read post(8) and mh-profile(5) and you should have been all set;
> that should have been like 30 minutes at most, not a mo
> It only took a month to mix the information from reading
>exim and nmh documentation, more documentation from exim4 and a
>couple of pointers from helpful folks to finally make it work.
Recall when I said I felt the SMTP MTS was better for nearly all users?
This is exactly what I was talki
Ken Hornstein Wrote on July 21,
> Technically ... this is not valid. It should be either sendmail/smtp
> or sendmail/pipe (just "sendmail" is an alias to sendmail/smtp).
> So I think something fundamental is going wrong (like you indented that
> entry, or what you think mts.conf is, it's really
On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 01:40:11 -0400 Ken Hornstein sez:
> >The one thing my script doesn't have access to is whether the
> >message posting was successful -- at least in the sense of
> >whether send (or comp, before it) thinks it completed
> >successfully. I don't believe either provides a return
>The one thing my script doesn't have access to is whether the
>message posting was successful -- at least in the sense of
>whether send (or comp, before it) thinks it completed
>successfully. I don't believe either provides a return value
>that Bash could use. And so I've had to save the output
[De-lurking, if only to show my lack of Bash chops. B-]
On Mon, 27 Jul 2015 22:35:33 -0400 Ken Hornstein sez:
> >If the goal is to make nmh behave more like popular MUAs, and
> >work independently of a properly configured MTA then,
> >shouldn't nmh also have a queue?
>
> Well, it's not clear if
>I would not recommend this since messages in the draft folder may not be
>ready for submission, hence the name "draft".
Hey, it was an untested proof-of-concept I wrote in a minute! It hadn't
even gone through QC yet! :-)
>If nmh was to be friendly for queuing, when 'send' is invoked, it should
On 7/27/2015 9:35 PM, Ken Hornstein wrote:
But ... it's clear to me that not all of those MUAs support queueing.
Thunderbird definitely does. Do not know about the others.
Well, it's not clear if they all do. It's hard to have a independent
queue in the MH command model, since MH/nmh aren'
>I'm not sure what ``most MUAs'' represents, but perhaps this refers to
>Outlook and Thunderbird (and other ``popular'' UI oriented MUAs)? If so,
>don't most of these MUAs have an ``outbox'' which is actually just a
>local mail queue built into the MUA which retries delivery to the
>co
Thus said Ken Hornstein on Sat, 25 Jul 2015 00:57:45 -0400:
> In theory, I'm with you on that; it would be easier. It's just that a)
> most MUAs don't even have the option to submit to sendmail and b) the
> MTAs I'm used to are very complicated, so they have lots of knobs;
> it's hard to dril
Ken Hornstein writes:
> - is really not all that hard,
>
> Robert, I have to ask ... do you read all of the messages on this list?
> I can completely understand if you don't ... but I do. And I can tell
> you that while there are a number of people, like yourself, who are
> perfectly capabable of
>You obviously don't use "send -push". I do, and have almost forever.
>Without that, sending mail is way too slow for me, I'd never (at least in
>the past when sending e-mail was more important to my work/life) get
>anything done if I had to wait for mail submission to finish before getting
>on w
Date:Fri, 24 Jul 2015 11:41:14 -0400
From:Ken Hornstein
Message-ID: <20150724154115.45aa962...@pb-smtp1.pobox.com>
| Meh. I've lived with the lack of queue and retry for a long time in the
| nmh send(1) program; it seems in practice it's not a real problem. If
>I know that was really asking about TLS features, but if you were really
>to be serious about creating an environment where it was truly possible
>to run nmh without a local MTA (or half MTA - receiving & delivering incoming
>mail is not needed) then you'd have to add queue & retry to nmh's send.
Date:Thu, 23 Jul 2015 11:42:43 -0400
From:Ken Hornstein
Message-ID: <20150723154029.5fe1964...@pb-smtp1.pobox.com>
| See send(1) for more details; if features are missing
| or things are broken, please let us know!
I know that was really asking about TLS feat
>Thus said Ken Hornstein on Tue, 21 Jul 2015 23:03:12 -0400:
>
>> We're moving away from the days when Unix systems could be counted on
>> to have an appropriate sendmail or equivalent that actually does
>> something useful for a home user.
>
>Running a MTA just isn't as glamourous as it onc
Thus said Ken Hornstein on Tue, 21 Jul 2015 23:03:12 -0400:
> We're moving away from the days when Unix systems could be counted on
> to have an appropriate sendmail or equivalent that actually does
> something useful for a home user.
Running a MTA just isn't as glamourous as it once was.
>What now? send
>post: problem initializing server; [BHST] premature end-of-file on pipe
>send: message not delivered to anyone
This means ... well, it went to read data from the pipe (and in theory
msmtp should be at the other end of it) and it got an EOF.
Why has that happened? No idea. Any l
Ken Hornstein writes:
> Technically ... this is not valid. It should be either sendmail/smtp
> or sendmail/pipe (just "sendmail" is an alias to sendmail/smtp).
>
> > sendmail: /usr/local/bin/sendmail
>
> You didn't indent this in mts.conf config file, did you?
As a matter of fact, it is ind
>I am still trying to get the programs in nmh that talk to the
>mail transport agent to send the message to msmtp so I set the
>following lines in /etc/nmh/mts.conf:
>
>mts: sendmail
Technically ... this is not valid. It should be either sendmail/smtp
or sendmail/pipe (just "sendmail" is an alias
On 21 July 2015 at 15:11, "Martin G. McCormick"
wrote:
> I am still trying to get the programs in nmh that talk to the
> mail transport agent to send the message to msmtp so I set the
> following lines in /etc/nmh/mts.conf:
>
> mts: sendmail
> sendmail: /usr/local/bin/sendmail
>
>
I am still trying to get the programs in nmh that talk to the
mail transport agent to send the message to msmtp so I set the
following lines in /etc/nmh/mts.conf:
mts: sendmail
sendmail: /usr/local/bin/sendmail
Okay, that is a bit of a hack. Since the only two types
of MTA one can ca
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