Re: [nodejs] Ben Noordhuis's Departure

On Monday, December 9, 2013, Joshua Holbrook wrote: > I hate you all. > <3 > > > --Josh > > > > On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 2:56 PM, Mikeal Rogers wrote: > > > On Dec 9, 2013, at 12:38PM, Ben Noordhuis wrote: > > On the contrary, it's 100% accurate. The reason I stepped down is not > because of

Re: [nodejs] Ben Noordhuis's Departure

> I joined this list to discuss technical topics It is very easy to tell which threads are politics just by looking at the subject line. Use your delete key. On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 8:46 AM, Edmond Meinfelder wrote: > I'd like to suggest this thread is not accomplishing anything other than >

Re: [nodejs] Ben Noordhuis's Departure

I'd like to suggest this thread is not accomplishing anything other than further division. I joined this list to discuss technical topics around Node.js. Maybe there is a need for a node-politics list, but I don't want to be on it. -Edmond -- -- Job Board: http://jobs.nodejs.org/ Posting gu

Re: [nodejs] Ben Noordhuis's Departure

 07.12.2013, 20:44, "// ravi" :On Dec 7, 2013, at 10:34 AM, Alex Kocharin wrote:07.12.2013, 19:13, "// ravi" :On Dec 5, 2013, at 11:59 PM, Nicholas Boll wrote:Should gendered pronouns be used in documentation? Maybe not. Should a comm

Re: [nodejs] Ben Noordhuis's Departure

On Dec 7, 2013, at 10:34 AM, Alex Kocharin wrote: > 07.12.2013, 19:13, "// ravi" : >> On Dec 5, 2013, at 11:59 PM, Nicholas Boll wrote: >>> Should gendered pronouns be used in documentation? Maybe not. Should a >>> community member be shunned after a misunderstanding? Definitely not - that >>>

Re: [nodejs] Ben Noordhuis's Departure

 07.12.2013, 19:13, "// ravi" :On Dec 5, 2013, at 11:59 PM, Nicholas Boll wrote:Should gendered pronouns be used in documentation? Maybe not. Should a community member be shunned after a misunderstanding? Definitely not - that would be intolerant. To many of us: “should ge

Re: [nodejs] Ben Noordhuis's Departure

On Dec 5, 2013, at 11:59 PM, Nicholas Boll wrote: > I'm disappointed to see something like this happen. It is intolerance in the > name of tolerance. A tolerant community does not waste time grandstanding > without understanding. The word 'bigot' was thrown around - which means a > person who s

Re: [nodejs] Ben Noordhuis's Departure

I'm disappointed to see something like this happen. It is intolerance in the name of tolerance. A tolerant community does not waste time grandstanding without understanding. The word 'bigot' was thrown around - which means a person who strongly and unfairly dislikes other people, ideas, etc. It

Re: [nodejs] Ben Noordhuis's Departure

Adam: From a job point of view Bryan is Isaac boss (I'm assuming?). Bryan was also the first sponsor of node and enabled Ryan in the early days. Also Bryan did defend Isaac in that post and honestly that was correct: Isaacs behavior was always correct and bare in mid that in this whole ordeal he wa

Re: [nodejs] Ben Noordhuis's Departure

Am Freitag, 6. Dezember 2013 13:16:35 UTC+1 schrieb Alex Kocharin: > > > > On Friday, December 6, 2013 12:48:06 PM UTC+4, greelgorke wrote: > >> >> Second desaster resulted from the overly heavy reactions on github and >> here of several ppl, who are ocnsidered to be community leaders due to >>

Re: [nodejs] Ben Noordhuis's Departure

On Friday, December 6, 2013 12:48:06 PM UTC+4, greelgorke wrote: > > Second desaster resulted from the overly heavy reactions on github and > here of several ppl, who are ocnsidered to be community leaders due to > their merits or vocal presence. > Who are you talking about? I don't see any h

Re: [nodejs] Ben Noordhuis's Departure

i'm following this whole diskussion for few days now and the only thing i can think about it is: omg what have you done, node community!? This whole thing gone so crazy and so sad. First of all its a multiple communication fail. It's ok to reject a commit for thatever reasons it might have b

Re: [nodejs] Ben Noordhuis's Departure

Actually here is what happened. What ever the reason joyent accused ben. Suddenly, there were few people talk for ben and not defended him. We had to think that he has contributed to node fast few years, and one of the few core contributors. So not joyent, we as the community was the reason for h

Re: [nodejs] Ben Noordhuis's Departure

Thank you for your many contributions, Ben. And thank you for merging my docs pull requests when everyone else was too busy or otherwise unavailable. ~Ryan On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 9:36 PM, Isaac Schlueter wrote: > As of this past weekend, Ben Noordhuis has decided to step away from > Node.js a

Re: [nodejs] Ben Noordhuis's Departure

If joyent really wanted to make this about about gendered pronouns or some other social issue, they always had one really simple solution: declare their, or "node.js'", or the "community's" stance in a DIVERSITY or similarly named file (like README or LICENSE) within the codebase or elsewhere. Thin

Re: [nodejs] Ben Noordhuis's Departure

I'd like to thank Ben for rejecting my PRs until they met the requirements of the project, and then assisting me through his guidance. Patient explanation gets the job done. But now I digress... Short version: Ben has been scapegoated. Less short version: The sacrifice of an individual in

Re: [nodejs] Ben Noordhuis's Departure

Richard, Yes! Thanks. I understand what was fishy about an original commit now. It's been said countless times, that you shouldn't describe WHAT you do, you should describe WHY you do it. It applies to comments in source code, to commit messages and to pull requests. For example, you shouldn't

Re: [nodejs] Ben Noordhuis's Departure

Alex, I see what you're saying, and from a close-up perspective you're right, it's just a word, and extra commits are an overhead. That said, the lack of gender inclusivity in tech is an injustice that's to the detriment of us all... both socially *and* technically. We suffer *technologically* be

Re: [nodejs] Ben Noordhuis's Departure

ravi, > Hello Alex, > > you use the word “community” and it seems to me that has certain > implications. It is perhaps a sad truth that the word is used in OSS as a > cliche or bromide, that OSS is mostly a *hobby* for very smart people > (men?) otherwise gainfully employed, but I would like

Re: [nodejs] Ben Noordhuis's Departure

Qu’on me donne six lignes de la main du plus honnête homme, j’y trouverai de quoi le faire pendre (Richelieu) On 04/12/13 23:47, // ravi wrote: On Dec 4, 2013, at 2:16 PM, Alex Kocharin wrote:

Re: [nodejs] Ben Noordhuis's Departure

On Dec 4, 2013, at 2:16 PM, Alex Kocharin wrote: > 04.12.2013, 22:54, "// ravi" : >> >> The word “asshole”, without doubt, ruined a blog post that was otherwise >> carefully reasoned (in the most part). > > it didn't ruin anything. That blog post has only one little mistake. The > mistake wa

Re: [nodejs] Ben Noordhuis's Departure

I base my commits on gut feeling, how scared I am of losing my place, and whatever I thought was a good idea after a couple beers. --Josh On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 2:38 PM, Rick Waldron wrote: > > > > On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 2:16 PM, Alex Kocharin wrote: > >> >> >> The issue in that in opensourc

Re: [nodejs] Ben Noordhuis's Departure

On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 2:16 PM, Alex Kocharin wrote: > > > The issue in that in opensource it's customary to base all commits on > technical reasons. > Apparently you don't use underscore... Rick -- -- Job Board: http://jobs.nodejs.org/ Posting guidelines: https://github.com/joyent/node/w

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On Dec 4, 2013, at 1:58 PM, Matt wrote: > On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 1:54 PM, // ravi wrote: > are you really saying that someone, who could put together full, > grammatically correct, well constructed paragraphs of English here on the > list and in that particular GitHub message, found a gender-ne

Re: [nodejs] Ben Noordhuis's Departure

I'm not very active here, usually. But wanted to share my opinion here with you, rude people are always here and the fact that the company that holds trademark is showing such behavior has not much to do with what we are observing now. People always have their reasons, and for example, if the sam

Re: [nodejs] Ben Noordhuis's Departure

On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 12:02 PM, Stewart Mckinney wrote: > Others are free to disagree with me, but I'm pretty sure everyone lost here. This. -- Brett Ritter / SwiftOne swift...@swiftone.org -- -- Job Board: http://jobs.nodejs.org/ Posting guidelines: https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/Mail

Re: [nodejs] Ben Noordhuis's Departure

> > If that has traditionally been customary in open source then take note > that node is breaking from that tradition in the interest of creating a > more inclusive and humane community. I hate to say it, but from all my observation of this community for the last three years, I have to say the e

Re: [nodejs] Ben Noordhuis's Departure

On Dec 4, 2013, at 11:30AM, Alex Kocharin wrote: > Yeah, I noticed how node is breaking from this tradition and losing > developers for no reason because of that. Nice damn job. > The break in tradition is done in order to appeal to people who have traditionally not engaged in open source be

Re: [nodejs] Ben Noordhuis's Departure

 04.12.2013, 23:21, "Mikeal Rogers" :On Dec 4, 2013, at 11:16AM, Alex Kocharin wrote:The issue in that in opensource it's customary to base all commits on technical reasons.This opinion is clearly not shared by the project. To build and engage a community of humans there are huma

Re: [nodejs] Ben Noordhuis's Departure

On Dec 4, 2013, at 11:16AM, Alex Kocharin wrote: > The issue in that in opensource it's customary to base all commits on > technical reasons. This opinion is clearly not shared by the project. To build and engage a community of humans there are human factors you must consider. Those are not

Re: [nodejs] Ben Noordhuis's Departure

 04.12.2013, 22:54, "// ravi" :On Dec 4, 2013, at 11:58 AM, Darren DeRidder wrote:"respect our wishes"? Really? After you call someone who speaks English as a second language an a-hole on your corporate blog and push one of the most valued contributors out of the node communi

Re: [nodejs] Ben Noordhuis's Departure

With respect, Ben explained his personal reasoning for his actions. He didn't apologize or even acknowledge the hostile way he decided to behave publicly and privately. Ben's contributions, which are numerous and appreciated, also don't excuse toxic behavior in an open source project. The people

Re: [nodejs] Ben Noordhuis's Departure

As a non native english speaker yes. Just because we read, speak and write English it does not mean we fully understand English. It’s not like we’ve studied english. Most of us are only taught english in high school. And to be honest I still use Google translate on a weekly basis to translate En

Re: [nodejs] Ben Noordhuis's Departure

On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 1:54 PM, // ravi wrote: > are you really saying that someone, who could put together full, > grammatically correct, well constructed paragraphs of English here on the > list and in that particular GitHub message, found a gender-neutrality > change to be trivial *because* he

Re: [nodejs] Ben Noordhuis's Departure

On Dec 4, 2013, at 11:58 AM, Darren DeRidder wrote: > "respect our wishes"? Really? After you call someone who speaks English as a > second language an a-hole on your corporate blog and push one of the most > valued contributors out of the node community? > It is mildly amusing that Americans

[nodejs] Ben Noordhuis's Departure

As of this past weekend, Ben Noordhuis has decided to step away from Node.js and libuv, and is no longer acting as a core committer. Ben has done a tremendous amount of great work in the past. We're sad to lose the benefit of his continued hard work and expertise, and extremely grateful for what h