Re: [NTG-context] Ideas for restructuring the ConTeXt garden?

Well, I am a beginner. I have just lost 2 hours trying to do something which ought to be simple. Perhaps now I have spent 10's of hours working at my understanding, yet still I have to look up the simplest essentials, often. And I think knowing what kind of things it is, and where one might look ar

Re: [NTG-context] Ideas for restructuring the ConTeXt garden?

2011/3/14 Carlos Breton Besnier > > > 2011/3/12 Florian Wobbe > >> Maybe we should start a discussion in a new thread to find out: >> >> 5) how to better promote context to new/latex users? >> >> > I think is needed a installation guide for non-technical. A guide not only > for programmers but

Re: [NTG-context] Ideas for restructuring the ConTeXt garden?

2011/3/12 Florian Wobbe > Maybe we should start a discussion in a new thread to find out: > > 5) how to better promote context to new/latex users? > > I think is needed a installation guide for non-technical. A guide not only for programmers but a simple guide for dummies. Like me, I am no-develo

Re: [NTG-context] Ideas for restructuring the ConTeXt garden?

2011/3/12 Florian Wobbe > Maybe we should start a discussion in a new thread to find out: > > 5) how to better promote context to new/latex users? > > I think is needed a installation guide for non-technical. A guide not only for programmers but a simple guide for dummies. Like me, I write law bo

Re: [NTG-context] Ideas for restructuring the ConTeXt garden?

On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 15:26, Mojca Miklavec wrote: > Except that wiki pages are in a really horrible shape when it comes to > Installation pages. [...] > If anyone has the slightest idea where to start, please do it. FWIW, I updated the Ubuntu pages last week. The OS X pages don't seem to be o

Re: [NTG-context] Ideas for restructuring the ConTeXt garden?

On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 08:46, Taco Hoekwater wrote: > Mojca, this does not need > much more initial work than fixing the wiki pages, right? Except that wiki pages are in a really horrible shape when it comes to Installation pages. I bet that 90% of pages are outdated with wrong information about

Re: [NTG-context] Ideas for restructuring the ConTeXt garden?

2011/3/12 Florian Wobbe > Maybe we should start a discussion in a new thread to find out: > > 5) how to better promote context to new/latex users? > > > I think is needed a installation guide for non-technical. A guide not only for programmers but a simple guide for dummies. Like me, I am no-dev

Re: [NTG-context] Ideas for restructuring the ConTeXt garden?

FWIW, specifications of standard LaTeX styles can be found here. It's a closely written 66 page document. -Alasdair On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 8:17 PM, Martin Schröder wrote: > 2011/3/14 Aditya Mahajan : > > The hard p

Re: [NTG-context] Ideas for restructuring the ConTeXt garden?

On 2011-03-13 <23:12:36>, Aditya Mahajan wrote: > On Mon, 14 Mar 2011, Alasdair McAndrew wrote: > > >Speaking as a raw ConTeXt beginner, I would find it very helpful to have a > >library of different styles: LaTeX, journal, conference and book styles. > >Although all the information is probably th

Re: [NTG-context] Ideas for restructuring the ConTeXt garden?

2011/3/14 Aditya Mahajan : > The hard part is figuring out the values (font size, spaces after sections, > etc) from the LaTeX code. It is difficult to look at > http://mirror.hmc.edu/ctan/macros/latex/contrib/IEEEtran/IEEEtran.cls and > figure out what is the title size for a 10pt document, or how

Re: [NTG-context] Ideas for restructuring the ConTeXt garden?

Hi, On 03/13/2011 12:04 AM, Pontus Lurcock wrote: On Sat 12 Mar 2011, C. wrote: 2) why they my be reluctant to install the minimals? Because they already have it in miktex, texlive. What they don't know is that these versions are outdated and due to the heavy development pretty far behind. Plu

Re: [NTG-context] Ideas for restructuring the ConTeXt garden?

Am 2011-03-14 um 07:33 schrieb Alasdair McAndrew: Yes, I see that would be a non-trivial problem. Maybe as a stop-gap some ConTeXt files could be provided which at least roughly emulate a few standard LaTeX styles? Again: We senior ConTeXt users won’t look thoroughly at "a few standard L

Re: [NTG-context] Ideas for restructuring the ConTeXt garden?

Yes, I see that would be a non-trivial problem. Maybe as a stop-gap some ConTeXt files could be provided which at least roughly emulate a few standard LaTeX styles? -Alasdair On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 3:54 PM, Aditya Mahajan wrote: > On Mon, 14 Mar 2011, Alasdair McAndrew wrote: > > For example

Re: [NTG-context] Ideas for restructuring the ConTeXt garden?

On Mon, 14 Mar 2011, Alasdair McAndrew wrote: For example. the LaTeX ieee.sty is available at http://delphiwww.cern.ch/delphi$www/private/det/stc/ieee94/mp/ieee.sty and ACM styles at http://www.acm.org/publications/latex_style/. How hard would it be to emulate these in ConTeXt? The hard part

Re: [NTG-context] Ideas for restructuring the ConTeXt garden?

For example. the LaTeX ieee.sty is available at http://delphiwww.cern.ch/delphi$www/private/det/stc/ieee94/mp/ieee.sty and ACM styles at http://www.acm.org/publications/latex_style/. How hard would it be to emulate these in ConTeXt? -Alasdair On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 2:32 PM, mathew wrote: > On

Re: [NTG-context] Ideas for restructuring the ConTeXt garden?

On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 19:07, Alasdair McAndrew wrote: > Speaking as a raw ConTeXt beginner, I would find it very helpful to have a > library of different styles: LaTeX, journal, conference and book styles. This is what I've been setting out to do, build a set of examples. So far I've got a cust

Re: [NTG-context] Ideas for restructuring the ConTeXt garden?

On Mon, 14 Mar 2011, Alasdair McAndrew wrote: Speaking as a raw ConTeXt beginner, I would find it very helpful to have a library of different styles: LaTeX, journal, conference and book styles. Although all the information is probably there, it is very scattered around though manuals, the wiki,

Re: [NTG-context] Ideas for restructuring the ConTeXt garden?

Speaking as a raw ConTeXt beginner, I would find it very helpful to have a library of different styles: LaTeX, journal, conference and book styles. Although all the information is probably there, it is very scattered around though manuals, the wiki, and other documents, and so is in consequence not

Re: [NTG-context] Ideas for restructuring the ConTeXt garden?

On Sat, 12 Mar 2011, Henry House wrote: Procházka Lukáš wrote: [...] 5) how to better promote context to new/latex users? For LaTeX incomers: it would be good to provide a sample setup (module?) which would make Ctx generated .pdf looking very closely to that been generated by LaTeX. Now,

Re: [NTG-context] Ideas for restructuring the ConTeXt garden?

On Sat, 12 Mar 2011 15:35:54 -0800 Henry House wrote: I strongly agree that sample set-up code (ideally well-commented so that it also serves as a tutorial of sorts) to reproduce the style of LaTeX would be helpful. The appearance of LaTeX documents isn't perfect but it produces reasonably

Re: [NTG-context] Ideas for restructuring the ConTeXt garden?

On 03/13/2011 12:35 AM, Henry House wrote: Procházka Lukáš wrote: [...] 5) how to better promote context to new/latex users? For LaTeX incomers: it would be good to provide a sample setup (module?) which would make Ctx generated .pdf looking very closely to that been generated by LaTeX. Now

Re: [NTG-context] Ideas for restructuring the ConTeXt garden?

On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 21:08, C. wrote: > Hello, > > I recently started using context. I migrated from latex to xelatex to > context. Mainly because of the better font support. I now value context also > for its superior abilities. I feel that I can do more stuff without the use > of \usepackage

Re: [NTG-context] Ideas for restructuring the ConTeXt garden?

On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 6:03 AM, Pontus Lurcock wrote: > On Sat 12 Mar 2011, mathew wrote: > >> My experience on Ubuntu is that if you install the ConTeXt minimals >> in your path, they break a bunch of stuff from TeXLive, such as >> pdfcrop. > > I have the minimals installed but with no automatic

Re: [NTG-context] Ideas for restructuring the ConTeXt garden?

On Sat 12 Mar 2011, mathew wrote: > My experience on Ubuntu is that if you install the ConTeXt minimals > in your path, they break a bunch of stuff from TeXLive, such as > pdfcrop. I have the minimals installed but with no automatic setup in .bashrc or similar. So when I need to run ConTeXt, I fi

Re: [NTG-context] Ideas for restructuring the ConTeXt garden?

On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 06:21, Florian Wobbe wrote: > Then I am aware of many people who are reluctant to install the >minimals. I now wonder why I (myself) was unwilling to install the >minimals in the first place, having TeXLive installed already. For one >it was because of the extra effort. M

Re: [NTG-context] Ideas for restructuring the ConTeXt garden?

Procházka Lukáš wrote: [...] > > 5) how to better promote context to new/latex users? > > For LaTeX incomers: it would be good to provide a sample setup (module?) > which would make Ctx generated .pdf looking very closely to that been > generated by LaTeX. > > Now, if you see a .pdf document an

Re: [NTG-context] Ideas for restructuring the ConTeXt garden?

On Sat 12 Mar 2011, C. wrote: > 2) why they my be reluctant to install the minimals? > Because they already have it in miktex, texlive. What they don't know is > that these versions are outdated and due to the heavy development pretty > far behind. Plus, it should say "Context Standalone" because

Re: [NTG-context] Ideas for restructuring the ConTeXt garden?

Hello, I recently started using context. I migrated from latex to xelatex to context. Mainly because of the better font support. I now value context also for its superior abilities. I feel that I can do more stuff without the use of \usepackage for this, \usepackage for that. When I read the docum

Re: [NTG-context] Ideas for restructuring the ConTeXt garden?

Hello ConTeXist. I installed ConTeXt minimals until pretty late. Before, I used the context in the TeXLive. For a long time I really thought that Minimals are "incomplete" versions of minimal and that there was something more. I was very pleasantly surprised at how easily Minimals installed an

Re: [NTG-context] Ideas for restructuring the ConTeXt garden?

Hello, my personal opinion(s) (some of them very similar to Marco's ones): 1) why users are confused with mkiv/mkii? (Cannot say; I started with MkIV so for me ConTeXt = MkIV.) 2) why they my be reluctant to install the minimals? The word "minimals" is a bit confusing. It implies that the

Re: [NTG-context] Ideas for restructuring the ConTeXt garden?

On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 14:05, Marco wrote: > On 2011-03-12 Florian Wobbe wrote: > >> Then I am aware of many people who are reluctant to install the minimals. I >> now wonder why I (myself) was unwilling to install the minimals in the >> first place, having TeXLive installed already. For one it wa

Re: [NTG-context] Ideas for restructuring the ConTeXt garden?

On 2011-03-12 Florian Wobbe wrote: > Maybe we should start a discussion in a new thread to find out: > > 1) why users are confused with mkiv/mkii? Because the old manuals only mention mkii and many things have changed in mkiv and don't work in mkii. It is not easy for beginners to choose betwee