Let's put this thread to rest? Thanks!
Stu -----Original Message----- From: Robert LeBlanc [mailto:robert.lebl...@aanmpc.com] Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 11:01 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Vipre console hangs server on reboot Is the dash on your Dodge all cracked to Sh&%. Mine is and I bought a dash mat for it from day one. Apparently a chronic problem with the Dodge RAM's. Mine is a 2000 though so maybe the used better material in your year. -----Original Message----- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 09:52 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot I have a 9 year old Kia Rio Cinco, and an 8 year old Dodge Ram 1500 - both paid for... Kurt On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 14:43, Jonathan Link <jonathan.l...@gmail.com> wrote: > I have a 5 yo Toyota. > > > On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 4:17 PM, Steve Ens <stevey...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I have a three year old Honda... >> >> On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 3:13 PM, John Aldrich >> <jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com> wrote: >>> >>> Jonathan: >>> As I just typed a few moments ago -- you want a brand new Ferrari, >>> but you know you can't afford the payments. Are you really going to >>> go to the trouble of configuring it just how you want and getting a >>> price quote or are you going to settle for your 3-year-old Honda? >>> Me? I'm settling for the 3-year-old Honda, because at least I can >>> afford that. >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] >>> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 3:42 PM >>> To: NT System Admin Issues >>> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot >>> >>> Sir, we are all extremely real. >>> If you prick me, do I not bleed? >>> >>> Look, you ask for advice. You get advice. You come up with all >>> kinds of reasons why said advice doesn't work for you. You are very >>> unflexible when it comes to taking advice. Or you aren't able to >>> understand the advice offered. Well, there's always a reason. With >>> everything. And 9 times out of 10 it's behavioral. Meaning you >>> could do something a different way. >>> >>> Even if they say that there is no budget, you could do a lot of work >>> to calculate a budget based on certain assumptions. So, you've got >>> a bunch of 10 year old equipment. How much did you spend reparing >>> it last year. >>> How >>> much would new equipment for 1/3, 1/4 or 1/5 of it cost, and make a >>> plan to replace stuff. It may cost more, but you might be suprised. >>> In any event, it's obvious you haven't even made the effort. >>> >>> It is the lack of effor tthat is irksom to a great many on this list. >>> On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 3:31 PM, John Aldrich >>> <jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com> >>> wrote: >>> The reason I have no idea what a new desktop would cost is that >>> management is NOT going to approve ANYTHING right now, so why even >>> bother looking??? >>> Get real! >>> >>> >>> >>> From: William Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com] >>> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 1:38 PM >>> To: NT System Admin Issues >>> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot Well that bit >>> didn't shock anyone....except maybe Jonathan who's now wearing >>> cowboy boots and looking for a horse to ride. >>> - WJR >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 12:20, John Aldrich >>> <jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com> >>> wrote: >>> That I have no idea what a new, fully-configured 64-bit workstation >>> with Office, a ton of RAM and all the other assorted pieces of >>> software that would have to be rebought would cost. >>> >>> >>> From: William Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com] >>> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 11:46 AM >>> To: NT System Admin Issues >>> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot >>> >>> What was supposed to be shocking exactly? >>> >>> That you have no idea about hardware costs, or that you think I >>> wouldn't have a spare $2500? >>> >>> - WJR >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 08:33, John Aldrich >>> <jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com> >>> wrote: >>> Actually, I have no idea what a new, fully-loaded 64-bit system will >>> cost. I haven't actually priced one. I was just making up a number >>> for shock value. >>> :D >>> >>> >>> >>> From: William Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com] >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 5:34 PM >>> To: NT System Admin Issues >>> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot Same here. But we >>> don't shop for Alienware PC's to do our "work." >>> >>> - WJR >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 16:28, Don Ely <don....@gmail.com> wrote: >>> $2500?!?!?!?! Funny, my company didn't pay more than $1000 for my >>> quad core with 8GB of RAM.... >>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Stefan Jafs <stefan.j...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> Yeah, I guess the carpet business is flat on the floor in this economy. >>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 4:08 PM, John Aldrich >>> <jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com> >>> wrote: >>> Gee... you got an extra $2500+ or so for all new hardware and >>> software? I mean, I'd love to have a nice new 64-bit Windows 7 >>> machine with Office 2010 and all that stuff...but unfortunately, I >>> don't have that. I've got a 3-year-old Optiplex running XP Pro >>> 32-bit. And with the way the economy is going lately, I don't see me >>> getting an upgraded desktop machine any time soon. >>> >>> From: William Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com] >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 3:41 PM >>> >>> To: NT System Admin Issues >>> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot Just a >>> thought...perhaps you need a new workstation if those things you've >>> listed tax it's resources to the point that you can't do your job >>> appropriately. >>> >>> But then, given your posts regarding this "problem" today I doubt >>> you'll understand anything I have to say either. But I feel bad for >>> Jonathan whose head seems to be swelling. >>> >>> He's been walking around paraphrasing "Tombstone" of all things... >>> >>> - WJR >>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 14:32, John Aldrich >>> <jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com> >>> wrote: >>> I *AM* running multiple apps at once. Microsoft LookOut!...err... >>> Outlook is a bit of a resource hog. My AS/400 terminal client is >>> running now, I have a VNC session going, I have Chrome running >>> multiple tabs... so, yeah... my system isn't just sitting here doing >>> nothing. >>> >>> >>> >>> From: kz2...@googlemail.com [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 2:12 PM >>> To: NT System Admin Issues >>> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot This I don't >>> understand, running of management tools on (sometimes >>> dedicated) servers. Why not go the whole hog and run your email and >>> internet browsing on a server too? If you were using a thin client >>> or a drastically underpowered PC, then this would make sense, but >>> not if you have a decent workstation. >>> >>> I agree that running lots of consoles creates a headache due to >>> startup time and occasionally on a resource basis, so what we try to >>> do is integrate as much stuff as possible into OpsManager, so we >>> don't need to stare at a load of consoles. Then I can only open >>> consoles as I need to work on them. But if your PC can't handle >>> running seven or eight applications including a few management >>> consoles, or if you worry because your machine uses lots of its >>> memory (even though it is there to be used), then you have a few >>> issues that need to be resolved. >>> >>> Just my 2 penneth worth, ymmv >>> Sent from my POS BlackBerry wireless device, which may wipe itself >>> at any moment ________________________________________ >>> From: Steve Ens <stevey...@gmail.com> >>> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 13:04:20 -0500 >>> To: NT System Admin Issues<ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com> >>> ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues" >>> <ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com> >>> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot Better on a >>> workstation than on a server is all I can say. >>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 12:29 PM, John Aldrich >>> <jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com> wrote: >>> Well, yeah... but I don't choose to load down my workstation with a >>> whole bunch of management consoles and associated crap. :D >>> >>> >>> From: Roger Wright [mailto:rhw...@gmail.com] >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 1:23 PM >>> To: NT System Admin Issues >>> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot Agreed. I can run >>> the VIPRE console on the server but choose to do it from my desktop >>> machine instead. It's rarely open on the server. >>> >>> >>> Roger Wright >>> ___ >>> Dr. Seuss is my favorite rapper! Cat - Hat... sheer genius! >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Jonathan Link >>> <jonathan.l...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> Why on earth have the console running all the time, then? >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:14 PM, John Aldrich >>> <jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com> >>> wrote: >>> Nope... it's not the Vipre server that's the problem, it's the console. >>> Guess I'll just have to live with manually shutting down the console >>> if I want to reboot the server. It's not that big a deal now that >>> I've decided not to automatically reboot the server weekly. >>> >>> From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com] >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 12:59 PM >>> To: NT System Admin Issues >>> Subject: RE: Vipre console hangs server on reboot >>> >>> how about a "net stop <vipre services>". I can't test right now, >>> but that seems like it would stop the console too. there's two key >>> vipre services, by the way. If you can "net stop", there's no >>> reason to taskkill ________________________________________ >>> From: Andrew S. Baker [asbz...@gmail.com] >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:20 AM >>> To: NT System Admin Issues >>> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot Well, if they (app >>> vendor) offer no programmatic way to shut the console down, and they >>> (app vendor) are suggesting that you kill the task, then your only >>> other alternative will be an application that programmatically >>> manages >>> the dialog boxes. This approach will likely be complicated by the state >>> of >>> the server (e.g. workstation locked). >>> >>> Process killing is rarely fraught with peril... >>> ASB >>> http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker >>> Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market... >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 11:44 AM, John Aldrich >>> <jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com> wrote: >>> I suppose there's no real reason to reboot the server on a scheduled >>> basis... THAT server has never had any real issues... As for not running >>> the Console remotely, I really don't wish to install it on another >>> machine as it's a bit of a resource hog. As far as taskkill, I just >>> don't like killing off a process "just because", and that's what >>> that seems like to me. >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:25 AM >>> >>> To: NT System Admin Issues >>> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot >>> >>> A - Why are you rebooting the server on a scheduled basis? >>> >>> >>> B - Why are you not running the Vipre console remotely? >>> >>> C - What's wrong with Taskkill (assuming you don't wish to address >>> the previous two issues)? >>> ASB >>> http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker >>> Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market... On Tue, >>> Jul 26, 2011 at 11:14 AM, John Aldrich >>> <jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com> wrote: >>> I have to manually shut down Vipre Enterprise Console if I want the >>> server to come up on a scheduled reboot, otherwise it hangs the >>> server and I have to manually power-cycle the server to get it to >>> work. I checked with Sunbelt support and they said there is no way >>> to *programmatically* close the console when I reboot the server >>> (scheduled task, so it's >>> non-interactive.) >>> They suggested using Microsoft's TaskKill. Anyone got any better >>> suggestions? 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