RE: Veering even more OT - was: Re: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

2010-05-31 Thread Erik Goldoff
s, & Security ' Security is an ongoing process, not a one time event ! ' -Original Message- From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 9:23 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Veering even more OT - was: Re: Big Changes Ahead f

Re: Veering even more OT - was: Re: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

2010-05-30 Thread Kurt Buff
On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 18:22, Ken Schaefer wrote: > Normalisation is used for data integrity not efficiency. Excuse me - yes, you are correct, especially levels beyond first normal form. But, my point stands. It's actually used. > And whilst there aren't many practical implementations of OSI, t

RE: Veering even more OT - was: Re: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

2010-05-29 Thread Ken Schaefer
s Ken -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, 30 May 2010 6:03 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Veering even more OT - was: Re: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this? Normalization is not an incorrect model for designing and impleme

Re: Veering even more OT - was: Re: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

2010-05-29 Thread Kurt Buff
] > Sent: Thursday, 27 May 2010 10:01 AM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: RE: Veering even more OT - was: Re: Big Changes Ahead for IT - > Anyone seen this? > > It all comes down to this : > > The OSI model is part of the 'fundamental' knowledge.  It's no

Re: Veering even more OT - was: Re: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

2010-05-27 Thread Ben Scott
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 11:10 AM, David Lum wrote: > Understanding databases falls into the same category in my opinion. We use an app here where I keep envisioning me calling up the salesweasel like this: Me: Hey, do you know what database normalization is? Salesdroid: No... Me: Neither do yo

RE: Veering even more OT - was: Re: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

2010-05-27 Thread David Lum
not, for example. Dave -Original Message- From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 7:01 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Veering even more OT - was: Re: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this? It all comes down to this : The OSI model is

RE: Veering even more OT - was: Re: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

2010-05-27 Thread Phillip Partipilo
ubject: RE: Veering even more OT - was: Re: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this? I have told some of my guys that it’s the karate kid methodology. If you don’t have connectivity. Check the cable, check link, check errors on switch... Cant ping, check IP, check subnet, check gateway E

RE: Veering even more OT - was: Re: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

2010-05-26 Thread greg.sweers
s you see how it all hangs together. Cheers Ken -Original Message- From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 27 May 2010 10:01 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Veering even more OT - was: Re: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this? It all comes dow

RE: Veering even more OT - was: Re: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

2010-05-26 Thread Ken Schaefer
Original Message- From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 27 May 2010 10:01 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Veering even more OT - was: Re: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this? It all comes down to this : The OSI model is part of the 'fundamen

RE: Veering even more OT - was: Re: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

2010-05-26 Thread Erik Goldoff
stems, Networks, & Security ' Security is an ongoing process, not a one time event ! ' -Original Message- From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:54 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Veering even more OT - was: Re: Big Change

RE: Veering even more OT - was: Re: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

2010-05-26 Thread Ken Schaefer
OSI, per se, doesn't help anyone do anything. But it provides a framework, so that when you're discussing some problem with another engineer/architect/PM and they say "why don't we do 'x'?" you can draw up something quick and say: "the problem is here: +- | <- what you are talking about +-

RE: Veering even more OT - was: Re: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?

2010-05-26 Thread Steven M. Caesare
As a conceptual process it's useful even if, as has long been the case, many applications map several layers in to a single functional block in their architecture. -sc -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 7:16 PM To: NT System Ad