Re: [Numpy-discussion] Making numpy sensible: backward compatibility please

2012-09-28 Thread Travis Oliphant
> > > > >From a practical standpoint, I believe that people implementing large > > changes to the numpy codebase, or any other core scipy package, should > > think really hard about their impact. I do realise that the changes are > > discussed on the mailing lists, but there is a lot of activity to

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Making numpy sensible: backward compatibility please

2012-09-28 Thread Nathaniel Smith
On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 10:23 PM, Gael Varoquaux < gael.varoqu...@normalesup.org> wrote: > Hi numpy developers, > > First of all, thanks a lot for the hard work you put in numpy. I know > very well that maintaining such a core library is a lot of effort and a > service to the community. But "with g

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Making numpy sensible: backward compatibility please

2012-09-28 Thread Charles R Harris
On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 7:25 PM, Anthony Scopatz wrote: > On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 7:44 PM, Fernando Perez wrote: > >> On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 3:11 PM, Charles R Harris >> wrote: >> > Bitch, bitch, bitch. Look, I know you are pissed and venting a bit, but >> this >> > problem could have been dete

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Making numpy sensible: backward compatibility please

2012-09-28 Thread Charles R Harris
On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 6:44 PM, Fernando Perez wrote: > On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 3:11 PM, Charles R Harris > wrote: > > Bitch, bitch, bitch. Look, I know you are pissed and venting a bit, but > this > > problem could have been detected and reported 6 months ago, that is, > unless > > it is new du

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Making numpy sensible: backward compatibility please

2012-09-28 Thread Anthony Scopatz
On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 7:44 PM, Fernando Perez wrote: > On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 3:11 PM, Charles R Harris > wrote: > > Bitch, bitch, bitch. Look, I know you are pissed and venting a bit, but > this > > problem could have been detected and reported 6 months ago, that is, > unless > > it is new du

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Making numpy sensible: backward compatibility please

2012-09-28 Thread Fernando Perez
On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 3:11 PM, Charles R Harris wrote: > Bitch, bitch, bitch. Look, I know you are pissed and venting a bit, but this > problem could have been detected and reported 6 months ago, that is, unless > it is new due to development on your end. It would be great if we could keep thes

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Making numpy sensible: backward compatibility please

2012-09-28 Thread Robert Lupton the Good
Gael puts in a plea for backward compatibility; I totally agree. Numpy sometimes goes out of its way to make this hard. For example, when the syntax of histogram were changed you got a nice DepreciationWarning about an option to switch to the new behaviour; great. But a few releases later tha

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Making numpy sensible: backward compatibility please

2012-09-28 Thread Travis Oliphant
On Sep 28, 2012, at 4:53 PM, Henry Gomersall wrote: > On Fri, 2012-09-28 at 16:43 -0500, Travis Oliphant wrote: >> I agree that we should be much more cautious about semantic changes in >> the 1.X series of NumPy.How we handle situations where 1.6 changed >> things from 1.5 and wasn't reporte

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Making numpy sensible: backward compatibility please

2012-09-28 Thread Charles R Harris
On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 3:23 PM, Gael Varoquaux < gael.varoqu...@normalesup.org> wrote: > Hi numpy developers, > > First of all, thanks a lot for the hard work you put in numpy. I know > very well that maintaining such a core library is a lot of effort and a > service to the community. But "with g

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Making numpy sensible: backward compatibility please

2012-09-28 Thread Henry Gomersall
On Fri, 2012-09-28 at 16:43 -0500, Travis Oliphant wrote: > I agree that we should be much more cautious about semantic changes in > the 1.X series of NumPy.How we handle situations where 1.6 changed > things from 1.5 and wasn't reported until now is an open question and > depends on the partic

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Making numpy sensible: backward compatibility please

2012-09-28 Thread Travis Oliphant
Thank you for expressing this voice, Gael.It is an important perspective. The main reason that 1.7 has taken so long to get released is because I'm concerned about these kinds of changes and really want to either remove them or put in adequate warnings prior to moving forward. It's a lon

[Numpy-discussion] Making numpy sensible: backward compatibility please

2012-09-28 Thread Gael Varoquaux
Hi numpy developers, First of all, thanks a lot for the hard work you put in numpy. I know very well that maintaining such a core library is a lot of effort and a service to the community. But "with great dedication, comes great responsibility" :). I find that Numpy is a bit of a wild horse, a mo

[Numpy-discussion] PyData NYC 2012 Speakers and Talks announced!

2012-09-28 Thread Peter Wang
Hi everyone, The PyData NYC team and Continuum Analytics are proud to announce the full lineup of talks and speakers for the PyData NYC 2012 event! We're thrilled with the exciting lineup of workshops, hands-on tutorials, and talks about real-world uses of Python for data analysis. http://nyc201

[Numpy-discussion] silently ignored size mismatch (bug??)

2012-09-28 Thread Neal Becker
In [19]: u = np.arange (10) In [20]: v = np.arange (10) In [21]: u[v] = u In [22]: u[v] = np.arange(11) silence... ___ NumPy-Discussion mailing list NumPy-Discussion@scipy.org http://mail.scipy.org/mailman/listinfo/numpy-discussion

Re: [Numpy-discussion] numpy.distutils, lapack, and cython

2012-09-28 Thread Robert Kern
On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 9:45 AM, Nathaniel Smith wrote: > Hi all, > > I've gotten a pull request for scikits-sparse to switch it to using > numpy.distutils: > https://github.com/njsmith/scikits-sparse/pull/2 > > Overall this seems fair enough, finding libraries is a pain and > numpy.distutils ha

Re: [Numpy-discussion] numpy.distutils, lapack, and cython

2012-09-28 Thread Matthew Brett
Hi, On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 3:45 PM, Nathaniel Smith wrote: > Hi all, > > I've gotten a pull request for scikits-sparse to switch it to using > numpy.distutils: > https://github.com/njsmith/scikits-sparse/pull/2 > > Overall this seems fair enough, finding libraries is a pain and > numpy.distuti

[Numpy-discussion] numpy.distutils, lapack, and cython

2012-09-28 Thread Nathaniel Smith
Hi all, I've gotten a pull request for scikits-sparse to switch it to using numpy.distutils: https://github.com/njsmith/scikits-sparse/pull/2 Overall this seems fair enough, finding libraries is a pain and numpy.distutils has that knowledge. 1) What's the proper way to find lapack using numpy.

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Issue tracking

2012-09-28 Thread Thouis (Ray) Jones
On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 1:48 AM, Ralf Gommers wrote: > Looks great! After a quick browse, the only thing I noticed that still needs > some thought is the color scheme for the labels. That's easy to adjust afterwards. ___ NumPy-Discussion mailing list Nu