Re: [OAUTH-WG] Mandatory-to-implement token type

2011-12-04 Thread Anthony Nadalin
I agree we have no plans to implement MAC if we wanted that we would have been happy with OAUTH 1.0a but that was not deployable -Original Message- From: oauth-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:oauth-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Mike Jones Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 6:26 PM To: Barry Lei

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Mandatory-to-implement token type

2011-12-04 Thread Paul Madsen
Commercial OAuth authorization servers are neither 'toolkits' nor 'purpose built code' - not used to build OAuth clients/servers but yet required to support more variety in deployments than a single purpose built server. But, that variety is driven by customer demand, and none of ours (yet?)

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Mandatory-to-implement token type

2011-12-04 Thread Stephen Farrell
FWIW, if Barry's suggested text was amended to say "MUST do bearer, MAY do mac" I'd still be ok with that. Much as I'd like if the mac scheme were more popular, my comment on -22 was interop and not really security related. S On 12/04/2011 01:15 PM, Paul Madsen wrote: Commercial OAuth authori

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Mandatory-to-implement token type

2011-12-04 Thread Mike Jones
The core spec should be completely silent on MAC, as it is not ready for prime time. -Original Message- From: oauth-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:oauth-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Stephen Farrell Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 6:20 AM To: Paul Madsen Cc: oauth@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OAUTH

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Mandatory-to-implement token type

2011-12-04 Thread Stephen Farrell
Whatever. If the entire WG want to get excited by the difference between MAY do mac and not mentioning it then fine. Personally, I'd be more interested in getting done rather than nailing that final nail into any coffin;-) S On 12/04/2011 02:21 PM, Mike Jones wrote: The core spec should be co

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Mandatory-to-implement token type

2011-12-04 Thread Eran Hammer-Lahav
Bearer tokens are practically identical to OAuth 1.0 PLAINTEXT. Get your facts right. > -Original Message- > From: oauth-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:oauth-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf > Of Anthony Nadalin > Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 1:37 AM > To: Mike Jones; Barry Leiba; Stephen Farrell

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Mandatory-to-implement token type

2011-12-04 Thread Eran Hammer-Lahav
This has been going on for far too long. There is a well-established gap between the two tokens and those who support them and we are NEVER going to reach consensus. Instead we have a war of attrition were each side is just keeping at it hoping the other side will give up. The only compromise w

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Mandatory-to-implement token type

2011-12-04 Thread Blaine Cook
On 4 December 2011 02:26, Mike Jones wrote: > I strongly object to a mandatory-to-implement clause for the MAC scheme.   > They are unnecessary and market forces have shown that implementers do not > want or need this kind of an authentication scheme. I'd say that Twitter, Flickr, Dropbox and do

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Mandatory-to-implement token type

2011-12-04 Thread Stephen Farrell
Hiya, On 12/04/2011 06:51 PM, Eran Hammer-Lahav wrote: This has been going on for far too long. There is a well-established gap between the two tokens and those who support them and we are NEVER going to reach consensus. Instead we have a war of attrition were each side is just keeping at it