Re: [OAUTH-WG] draft-ietf-oauth-spop-04: a way of making code_challenge

2014-11-14 Thread takamichi saito
2014/11/14 14:13、John Bradley のメール: > This blog post has some good background on why salting is no longer effective > against brute force attacks. > http://blog.ircmaxell.com/2011/08/rainbow-table-is-dead.html?m=1 It is basic knowledge as you know. If I don’t misunderstand the article, the

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Meeting Minutes

2014-11-14 Thread Brian Campbell
My question was not really about the status of draft-bradley-oauth-stateless-client-id but rather about draft-ietf-oauth-dyn-reg-management allowing for the kind of stateless client id that Bradley described in his draft. And draft-ietf-oauth-dyn-reg-management still has text that says, 'The value

Re: [OAUTH-WG] crosspost.... SASL OAUTH

2014-11-14 Thread Brian Campbell
Given the state of things, maybe the MAC Token specification [I-D.ietf-oauth-v2-http-mac] reference should be changed or omitted? On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 7:01 PM, Bill Mills wrote: > There's a draft it would be great to get more eyes on in the Kitten WG > > draft-ietf-kitten-sasl-oauth-17 - A se

[OAUTH-WG] bike-shedding the SPOP into

2014-11-14 Thread Brian Campbell
In the into, I'd suggest changing, "The code verifier is created for every authorization request..." to "A unique code verifier is created for every authorization request..." ___ OAuth mailing list OAuth@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/oaut

Re: [OAUTH-WG] crosspost.... SASL OAUTH

2014-11-14 Thread Bill Mills
Yep, fair enough.  Done. On Friday, November 14, 2014 6:33 AM, Brian Campbell wrote: Given the state of things, maybe the MAC Token specification [I-D.ietf-oauth-v2-http-mac] reference should be changed or omitted? On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 7:01 PM, Bill Mills wrote: There's a draf

Re: [OAUTH-WG] draft-ietf-oauth-spop-04: a way of making code_challenge

2014-11-14 Thread Nat Sakimura
The code challenge is only one time use and has a short validity period. It is not something that is going to be stored. For (1), we could define such transformation, but at a later time, IMHO. We are getting push back even for sha256 from developers. We need to balance the benefit and adoption. B

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Adding machine readable errors to SPOP?

2014-11-14 Thread Brian Campbell
I struggle to see the value in adding more fine grained machine readable error messages for this. Do we really want clients to try and negotiate the code_challenge_method using browser redirects? Especially in light of the fact that we'll likely also be discouraging AS's from redirecting on some e

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Meeting Minutes

2014-11-14 Thread Justin Richer
Brian is right, it's still a MUST NOT. We could relax that to a SHOULD NOT to allow for the (still largely theoretical) structured client_id construct to change over time. The reason it's how it is right now is that most systems use the client_id value as a key into things and funny expect it to

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Adding machine readable errors to SPOP?

2014-11-14 Thread Nat Sakimura
I find not much, if any. On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 06:27 Brian Campbell wrote: > I struggle to see the value in adding more fine grained machine readable > error messages for this. > > Do we really want clients to try and negotiate the code_challenge_method > using browser redirects? Especially

Re: [OAUTH-WG] bike-shedding the SPOP into

2014-11-14 Thread Nat Sakimura
Sounds good. On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 05:29 Brian Campbell wrote: > In the into, I'd suggest changing, > "The code verifier is created for every authorization request..." > to > "A unique code verifier is created for every authorization request..." > ___

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Adding machine readable errors to SPOP?

2014-11-14 Thread John Bradley
Nat and I discussed it yesterday and I am still personally unconvinced that the errors from the authorization endpoint are helpful. So I am personally against adding specific errors for S256_unsupported On Nov 14, 2014, at 6:52 AM, Nat Sakimura wrote: > I find not much, if any. > > > On

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Meeting Minutes

2014-11-14 Thread Brian Campbell
I'd guess people wouldn't try to deploy those two options together because it's clearly prohibited. On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Justin Richer wrote: > Brian is right, it's still a MUST NOT. We could relax that to a SHOULD NOT > to allow for the (still largely theoretical) structured client_

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Meeting Minutes

2014-11-14 Thread Mike Jones
Please change "jwt-req-request" to "jwt-reg-review", per https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-oauth-json-web-token-30#section-10.1. Other than that, the minutes look good. Thanks, -- Mike -Original Message- From: OAuth [m

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Adding machine readable errors to SPOP?

2014-11-14 Thread Nat Sakimura
That pretty much was the conclusion we reached. I believe that it was what the F2F room inclined to. So, for -04, we added a section on error response but it doesn't have those granular errors. On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 07:07 John Bradley wrote: > Nat and I discussed it yesterday and I am still pe

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Adding machine readable errors to SPOP?

2014-11-14 Thread Bill Mills
I sent some feedback on that section in a different message on list. On Friday, November 14, 2014 12:41 PM, Nat Sakimura wrote: That pretty much was the conclusion we reached. I believe that it was what the F2F room inclined to. So, for -04, we added a section on error response but

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Adding machine readable errors to SPOP?

2014-11-14 Thread Nat Sakimura
Thanks. I will dig it up. On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 10:54 Bill Mills wrote: > I sent some feedback on that section in a different message on list. > > > On Friday, November 14, 2014 12:41 PM, Nat Sakimura > wrote: > > > That pretty much was the conclusion we reached. I believe that it was what >

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