[ogb-discuss] Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Project Proposal - (what is/was Indiana)

2007-05-30 Thread darren.r...@sun.com
Alan Burlison wrote: > Bonnie Corwin wrote: > >>> I take it that means either I missed something (if so, help please) >>> or the >>> OGB is behind on publishing meeting minutes... >> >> >> I think this is about more than meeting minutes. If there is a new >> policy, it seems there should be ema

[ogb-discuss] Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Project Proposal - (what is/was Indiana)

2007-05-31 Thread darren.r...@sun.com
Ian Murdock wrote: > On 5/31/07, Alan Burlison wrote: > >> > The level of beaurocracy in OpenSolaris exceeds what I've seen >> > in any other open source group by an order of magnitude and >> > is a facet of life at Sun that we seem to have carried over from >> > Solaris to OpenSolaris, for bette

[osol-discuss] Re: [ogb-discuss] Project Proposal - (what is/was Indiana)

2007-05-31 Thread darren.r...@sun.com
Ian Murdock wrote: > So, it seems the crux of the matter is the following decision: > > 1. OpenSolaris should remain a source base only. Sun > and others use that source base to build (potentially incompatible) > operating systems based on the OpenSolaris code base. > > 2. OpenSolaris should be an

[ogb-discuss] Re: [osol-discuss] Changes to "Contributor" status

2007-06-04 Thread darren.r...@sun.com
Alan Coopersmith wrote: > [Added ogb-discuss, since that's where any real change has to > happen - opensolaris-discuss will get you nothing useful.] > > Darren.Reed at Sun.COM wrote: > >> Within the OpenSolaris community, we have some arbitrary >> designations we give to people - contributor and

[ogb-discuss] Re: [osol-discuss] Changes to "Contributor" status

2007-06-04 Thread darren.r...@sun.com
Alan Coopersmith wrote: > Darren.Reed at Sun.COM wrote: > >> Ultimately, I'd like to see it removed. >> *Everyone* should be a contributor or able to be one. > > > Then you're basically redefining it to be the same as "Participant", > which is anyone who filled out the registration form on opensol

[ogb-discuss] Logo/Mascot for OpenSolaris

2007-06-22 Thread darren.r...@sun.com
In addition to coming up with a catch phrase or a very short definition about what OpenSolaris is about, we also need a mascot/logo - the current splattering of source code with the "open(2)" is cute from a geek perspective but it is hardly the kind of thing you could expect people to carry on boxe

[advocacy-discuss] Re: [ogb-discuss] Re: [osol-discuss] Logo/Mascot for OpenSolaris

2007-06-25 Thread darren.r...@sun.com
Ron Kleinman wrote: > Brian Gupta wrote: > >> On 6/25/07, Jim Grisanzio wrote: >> >>> Simon Phipps wrote: >>> > Me too. The one Chandan drew was gorgeous, sunglasses and all. >>> >>> http://blogs.sun.com/chandan/date/20050617 >> >> >> I like the Bush Baby Chandan drew. >> >> But, at this time, I

[advocacy-discuss] Re: [ogb-discuss] Re: [osol-discuss] Logo/Mascot for OpenSolaris

2007-06-25 Thread darren.r...@sun.com
Sara Dornsife wrote: > >> It's inline with what I expected which is why in the original >> email I cc'd the OGB because unless they have delegated >> control over this to the advocacy forum, advocacy-discuss >> has no authority to make any decisions. Point here being >> that there is no "advocacy

[advocacy-discuss] Re: [ogb-discuss] Re: [osol-discuss] Logo/Mascot for OpenSolaris

2007-06-25 Thread darren.r...@sun.com
Keith M Wesolowski wrote: >On Mon, Jun 25, 2007 at 12:02:46PM -0700, Darren.Reed at sun.com wrote: > > > ... > >>There have been lots of ideas and rationales about what is >>good or bad, and when someone said "shark" (specifically >> > >And this same damned discussion has been going for almost 3 y

[advocacy-discuss] Re: [ogb-discuss] Re: [osol-discuss] Logo/Mascot for OpenSolaris

2007-06-25 Thread darren.r...@sun.com
Stephen Lau wrote: > Darren.Reed at sun.com wrote: > >> Now if the response of the OGB is to say "advocacy, go and >> look at this and come back with a plan", great, but so far >> the OGB has *NOT* responded and more pointedly, Steve Lau >> has since said that his email was *his personal opinion*,

[advocacy-discuss] Re: [ogb-discuss] Re: [osol-discuss] Logo/Mascot for OpenSolaris

2007-06-25 Thread darren.r...@sun.com
Alan Coopersmith wrote: > Darren.Reed at Sun.COM wrote: > >> The model that I envisage of how it should work is: >> - ogb asks advocacy to go and do this >> - advocacy goes and does it, comes back with a result >> - ogb says "thank you" and gives it a stamp of approval. > > > I don't think having

[ogb-discuss] Re: [advocacy-discuss] Re: Logo/Mascot for OpenSolaris

2007-06-25 Thread darren.r...@sun.com
Eric Boutilier wrote: > On Mon, 25 Jun 2007, Darren.Reed at Sun.COM wrote: > >> Stephen Lau wrote: >> >>> I still maintain that identity and 'creating a mark' are not issues >>> that should involve the OGB. The OGB should be about governance, >>> not a generic leadership board. These sorts of

[ogb-discuss] Re: [advocacy-discuss] Re: Logo/Mascot for OpenSolaris

2007-06-25 Thread darren.r...@sun.com
Stephen Lau wrote: > Darren.Reed at sun.com wrote: > ... > >> From the very start of this, my position has been that getting this >> to properly motivate people requires a competition with a prize at >> the end and that for this reason it requires more thought than the >> community "just doing it

[ogb-discuss] Re: [advocacy-discuss] Re: Logo/Mascot for OpenSolaris

2007-06-25 Thread darren.r...@sun.com
Simon Phipps wrote: > I would like to suggest follow-up is directed solely to advocacy- > discuss (I have set reply-to). > > On Jun 26, 2007, at 01:04, Darren.Reed at Sun.COM wrote: > >> And yes, I feel that some kind of prize or reward is essential, >> otherwise >> we don't stand a very good c

[advocacy-discuss] Re: [ogb-discuss] Re: [osol-discuss] Logo/Mascot for OpenSolaris

2007-06-25 Thread darren.r...@sun.com
Jim Grisanzio wrote: > ... > Doesn't the OGB have more important things to do? Such as become a 501(c)3 entity in some place like Delaware? Or? Quite possibly it does, but if it does, ogb-discuss does not give that impression to me. Darren

[advocacy-discuss] Re: [ogb-discuss] Re: [osol-discuss] Logo/Mascot for OpenSolaris

2007-06-25 Thread darren.r...@sun.com
Jim Grisanzio wrote: > Darren.Reed at Sun.COM wrote: > > > >> There have been lots of ideas and rationales about what is >> good or bad, and when someone said "shark" (specifically >> those that eat pengiuns), my thoughts turned to "killer whale", >> also known as the "orca" - but I digress.

Making OpenSolaris 501(c)(3) (Was Re: [ogb-discuss] Re: [advocacy-discuss] Re: Logo/Mascot for OpenSolaris)

2007-06-25 Thread darren.r...@sun.com
Keith M Wesolowski wrote: >... > >If you feel strongly about that strategy in general, perhaps you'd >like to go do the legwork and find out what's required to set up an >independent 501(c)(3) or similar foundation (or a non-US equivalent if >that would be advantageous). Without something like th

OpenSolaris as a seperate entity to Sun (Re: [osol-discuss] Re: [ogb-discuss] Re: [advocacy-discuss] Re: Logo/Mascot for OpenSolaris)

2007-06-25 Thread darren.r...@sun.com
Alan Coopersmith wrote: > Darren.Reed at Sun.COM wrote: > >> Is making OpenSolaris a non profit organisation on the >> agenda of the OGB? > > > No - what would the benefit of that be? To make it an attractive destination for other companies, besides Sun, to donate cash/hardware. Or is making

[advocacy-discuss] Re: [ogb-discuss] Re: [osol-discuss] Logo/Mascot for OpenSolaris

2007-06-25 Thread darren.r...@sun.com
Keith M Wesolowski wrote: > ... >So I'd like to understand why you >feel that such a step should be our highest priority. > > Because until it does, my take on it is that OpenSolaris is a project at Sun and not an open source community or entity in its own right. It's that simple. Darren

OpenSolaris as a seperate entity to Sun (Re: [osol-discuss] Re: [ogb-discuss] Re: [advocacy-discuss] Re: Logo/Mascot for OpenSolaris)

2007-06-25 Thread darren.r...@sun.com
Alan Coopersmith wrote: > Darren.Reed at Sun.COM wrote: > >> To make it an attractive destination for other companies, >> besides Sun, to donate cash/hardware. > > > And what would we do with that? (Really - I'm coming from > a background of the X.Org Foundation, which is having a hard > time fi

OpenSolaris as a seperate entity to Sun (Re: [osol-discuss] Re: [ogb-discuss] Re: [advocacy-discuss] Re: Logo/Mascot for OpenSolaris)

2007-06-25 Thread darren.r...@sun.com
Simon Phipps wrote: > > On Jun 26, 2007, at 02:39, Darren.Reed at Sun.COM wrote: > >> Isn't anyone in the least bit interested seeing OpenSolaris >> actually be able to employ people or pay for things itself >> rather than depend on the good will of Sun to do it all? > > > OK, I'm confused. Earlie