Re: [Ogf-l] compiled list of D20SRD changes?

2004-08-01 Thread david_shepheard
- Original Message - From: "woodelf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2004 4:35 AM > At 5:50 +0100 7/30/04, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Oh, I thought he wanted a general idea of what was new. If he does > >want a PDF version of > >the 3.5, there is already a 3.5 SRD PDF dow

Re: [Ogf-l] One or many licensors?

2004-08-01 Thread david_shepheard
- Original Message - From: "Peter Brink" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2004 3:00 PM > My question is simply, does a licensee have a contractual relation > with all contributors listed in an OGL's section 15 or only with the > licensor which's work the licensee has made use

Re: [Ogf-l] One or many licensors?

2004-08-01 Thread woodelf
At 13:02 -0400 8/1/04, Doug Meerschaert wrote: On Sun, 1 Aug 2004 08:42:47 -0500, woodelf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: So, personally, i'm about ready to give up on these discussions. The license is broken, perhaps fatally. If the license were broken, it wouldn't be used. It is used; ergo, it not

Re: [Ogf-l] One or many licensors?

2004-08-01 Thread Doug Meerschaert
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > So, while I may agree that the license, is "good enough" for the current environment > and > attitudes, I think it has some major flaws if it's put under close scrutiny (such as > would > happen during litigation). I'v

Re: [Ogf-l] One or many licensors?

2004-08-01 Thread Joe Mucchiello
At 07:21 PM 8/1/2004 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Replying to two folks in one post -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: <> I wholly disagree. I think that's an exactly wrong interpretation. You are correct. I was replying to the PI question but then broadened my example beyond PI erroneously. I was t

Re: [Ogf-l] One or many licensors?

2004-08-01 Thread HUDarklord
Replying to two folks in one post --   [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I wholly disagree.  I think that's an exactly wrong interpretation.   The license notes that: "All sublicenses shall

Re: [Ogf-l] One or many licensors?

2004-08-01 Thread HUDarklord
In a message dated 8/1/2004 1:03:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >   Please.  That's a flawed premise.  Do you know how many utterly faulty and terminally flawed contracts are used in America at any

Re: [Ogf-l] One or many licensors?

2004-08-01 Thread Maggie Vining
I don't think the license is as much if an issuse as the varying use of PI. I'm not placing judgement on companies for using it, it's just IMO it hinders the potential of open game content. It's partly why I went with the nonprofit option. I couldn't figure out how to make a for profit company su

Re: [Ogf-l] One or many licensors?

2004-08-01 Thread Doug Meerschaert
On Sun, 1 Aug 2004 17:56:33 +0200, Peter Brink <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > There is nothing in section 4 that gives me any reason to believe that > the other contributors grants the licensee the right to issue a new > license *in their name*. No, there isn't. But the other contributors gave a

Re: [Ogf-l] One or many licensors?

2004-08-01 Thread Doug Meerschaert
On Sun, 1 Aug 2004 08:42:47 -0500, woodelf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So, personally, i'm about ready to give up on these discussions. The > license is broken, perhaps fatally. If the license were broken, it wouldn't be used. It is used; ergo, it not only isn't broken, but it doesn't even rea

Re: [Ogf-l] One or many licensors?

2004-08-01 Thread woodelf
At 13:03 +0200 8/1/04, Peter Brink wrote: On Sunday, August 01, 2004 4:01 AM, Doug Meerschaert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sat, 31 Jul 2004 16:00:25 +0200, Peter Brink <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: What does the list say? Collectively? "Hire a lawyer." That is probably good advice :-), but isn'

Re: [Ogf-l] One or many licensors?

2004-08-01 Thread Peter Brink
On Sunday, August 01, 2004 3:58 PM, Doug Meerschaert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Peter Brink wrote: > >> That is probably good advice :-), but isn't this particular question >> so central to the use of OGL that there ought to be a good and known >> answer to it? >> >> > Not in my opinion. Whether

Re: [Ogf-l] One or many licensors?

2004-08-01 Thread Doug Meerschaert
Peter Brink wrote: That is probably good advice :-), but isn't this particular question so central to the use of OGL that there ought to be a good and known answer to it? Not in my opinion. Whether you have many licenses between everyone in your chain or just your immediate origin is only rele

RE: [Ogf-l] By permission of Wizards of the Coast?

2004-08-01 Thread DarkTouch
Well,     Originally the SRD was in 'Draft' form. This document while mostly similar, had things that have been removed or changed, such as Mind Flayers and any of the Spell names that had Mordenkeinen in them (they were Mord in the draft version). The draft version of the SRD has long since

Re: [Ogf-l] One or many licensors?

2004-08-01 Thread Peter Brink
On Sunday, August 01, 2004 4:01 AM, Doug Meerschaert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, 31 Jul 2004 16:00:25 +0200, Peter Brink > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> What does the list say? > > Collectively? "Hire a lawyer." That is probably good advice :-), but isn't this particular question so c

[Ogf-l] By permission of Wizards of the Coast?

2004-08-01 Thread Tavis Allison
I often notice the following text on the lawyer's page of OGL publications, whether or not they also use the d20STL:    "[This work is] produced and distributed under version 1.0a of the Open Game License and draft versions of the System Reference Document by permission of Wizards of